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Why must the total time derivative only be a linear function of velocity? [duplicate]
I'm hung up on page 7 of Landau & Lifshitz Course on Mechanics. They claim,
$$L(v'^2) = L(v^2)+\frac{\partial L}{\partial v^2}2\textbf v\cdot \epsilon \tag{p.7}$$
The second term on the right of ...
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In equation (3) from lecture 7 in Leonard Susskind’s ‘Classical Mechanics’, should the derivatives be partial?
Here are the equations. ($V$ represents a potential function and $p$ represents momentum.)
$$V(q_1,q_2) = V(aq_1 - bq_2)$$
$$\dot{p}_1 = -aV'(aq_1 - bq_2)$$
$$\dot{p}_2 = +bV'(aq_1 - bq_2)$$
Should ...
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Derivative of the product of a scalar function and a vector valued function
According to Berkeley Physics Course, Volume 1 Mechanics,
The time derivative of a vector valued function can be derived from the formula:
$$
\mathbf{r}(t) = r(t)\mathbf{\hat{r}}(t)
$$
where the ...
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When computing the Euler–Lagrange equations, why do we assume the coordinates do not depend on time?
I've just started to learn lagrangians through this video and I'm a bit confused. The setup has that $L = T-V$. With $T=\tfrac{1}{2}mv^2$ and $V=mgx$. So, $L= \tfrac{1}{2}m(dx/dt)^2-mgx$. This is all ...
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The conservative force [closed]
I read about the definition of the curl.
It's the measure of the rotation of the vector field around a specific point
I understand this, but I would like to know what does the "curl of the ...
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Variation of a function
I'm studying calculus of variations and Lagrangian mechanics and i don't understand something about the variational operator
Let's say for example that i got a Lagrangian $L [x(t), \dot{x}(t), t] $ ...
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Why must a constraint force be normal?
If we impose that a particle follows a holonomic constraint, so that it always remains on a surface defined by some function $f(x_1,x_2,x_3)=0$ with $f:\mathbb{R^3}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$, we get a ...
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Material to Study the Definition, Algebra, and Use of Infinitesimals in Physics [closed]
This is going to be a rather general question about suggestions on best supplementary material to properly explain the use of infinitesimals (or differentials?) for the purposes of integration or ...
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In Lagrangian mechanics, do we need to filter out impossible solutions after solving?
The principle behind Lagrangian mechanics is that the true path is one that makes the action stationary. Of course, there are many absurd paths that are not physically realizable as paths. For ...
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Calculus of variations -- how does it make sense to vary the position and the velocity independently?
In the calculus of variations, particularly Lagrangian mechanics, people often say we vary the position and the velocity independently. But velocity is the derivative of position, so how can you treat ...
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Lagrangian - How can we differentiate with respect to time if $v$ not a function of time?
In the Lagrangian itself, we know that $v$ and $q$ don't depend on $t$ (i.e - they are not functions of $t$ - i.e., $L(q,v,t)$ is a state function.)
Imagine $L = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 - mgq$
Euler-Lagrange ...
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Derivation of lagrange equation in classical mechanics
I'm currently working on classical mechanics and I am stuck in a part of the derivation of the lagrange equation with generalized coordinates. I just cant figure it out and don't know if it's just ...
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Why isn't the Euler-Lagrange equation trivial?
The Euler-Lagrange equation gives the equations of motion of a system with Lagrangian $L$. Let $q^\alpha$ represent the generalized coordinates of a configuration manifold, $t$ represent time. The ...
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Time derivative of a "general" vector $\vec A$ in an accelerating frame: what about e.g. velocity $\vec v$?
According to Morin "Classical Mechanics" (Section 10.1, page 459), the derivative of a general vector $\vec A$ in an accelerating frame may be given as
$$\frac{d\vec A}{dt}=\frac{\delta \vec ...
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Lagrangian total time derivative - continues second-order differential
In the lagrangian, adding total time derivative doesn't change equation of motion.
$$L' = L + \frac{d}{dt}f(q,t).$$
After playing with it, I realize that this is only true if the $f(q,t)$ function has ...
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Why does $\vec{r}\cdot\dot{\vec{r}}=r\dot{r}$?
Why is $$\vec{r}\cdot\dot{\vec{r}}=r\dot {r}$$ true? Before saying anything, I have seen the proofs using spherical coordinates for $$\dot{\vec {r}}= \dot{r}\vec{u_r}+r\dot{\theta}\vec{u_\theta}+r\sin\...
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Sufficient condition for conservation of conjugate momentum
Is the following statement true?
If $\frac{\partial \dot{q}}{\partial q}=0$, then the conjugate momentum $p_q$ is conserved.
We know that conjugate momentum of $q$ is conserved if $\frac{\partial L}{\...
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Why the $\Delta$ in the definition of pressure? (fluid mechanics)
I'm an engineering student (first year) studying Physics 1 (now an introduction to fluid mechanics).
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In my physics textbook, the "medium pressure" is defined as:
$$p_m = \frac{\Delta F_{\...
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Having trouble deriving the exact form of the Kinematic Transport Theorem
The Kinematic transport theorem is a very basic theorem relating time derivatives of vectors between a non rotating frame and another one that's rotating with respect to it with a uniform angular ...
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Does the gradient of potential energy exist independent of coordinates?
Potential energy $U(\vec{r})$ of a conservative force field $\vec{F}$ is defined as a function whose variation between positions $\vec{r}_A$ and $\vec{r}_B$ is the opposite of the work done by the ...
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Approximation of Small Perturbation [closed]
From Morin's Classical Mechanics, on the chapter of Small Oscillations in Lagrangian Mechanics, he does this approximation on the last equality, I don't understand what happened there.
I get the first ...
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Coordinate basis vectors on tangent bundle (extrinsic view)
Short Version: when we say that $(\pmb{q},\pmb{u}):TQ_{(q)}\to\mathbb{R}^{2n}$ are local coordinates for the tangent bundle of $Q$, which can be viewed as an embedded submanifold of a higher ...
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Lagrangian for 2 inertial frames where only Speed is different by small amount
In Landau & Liftshitz’s book p.5, they go ahead and writes down lagrangians for 2 different inertial frames. They say that Lagrangian is a function of $v^2$.
So in one frame, we got $L(v^2)$.
In ...
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Why don't we see the covariant derivative in classical mechanics?
I am wondering why I have seen the covariant derivative for the first time in general relativity.
Starting from the point that the covariant derivative generalise the concept of derivative in curved ...
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Is every $dm$ piece unequal when using integration of a non-uniformly dense object?
When we want to find the total charge of an object or total mass, usually we start off with a setup such as:
$$ m = \int dm \:\;\:\text{or} \:\;\:q = \int dq$$
in which we then use (and to keep it ...
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Proof that the Euler-Lagrange equations hold in any set of coordinates if they hold in one
This is a question about a specific proof presented in the book Introduction to Classical Mechanics by David Morin. I have highlighted the relevant portion in the picture below.
In the remark, he ...
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Confusing Total Derivative and Partial Derivative in Classical Field Theory - Noether Theorem
I'm really confused about total derivatives and partial derivatives.
My multivariable calculus book (Guidorizzi vol 2 Um Curso de Calculo) says that if I have a function like $f(a(u,v),b(u,v))$ then ...
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Goldstein: derivation of work-energy theorem
I am reading "Classical Mechanics-Third Edition; Herbert Goldstein, Charles P. Poole, John L. Safko" and in the first chapter I came across the work-energy theorem (paraphrased) as follows:
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Is the order of ordinary derivatives interchangeable in classical mechanics?
I am having trouble with a term that arises in a physics equation (deriving the Lagrange equation for one particle in one generalized coordinate, $q$, dimension from one Cartesian direction, $x$).
My ...
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What does a Umlaut (double dot) above an angle mean?
I'm reading a paper on double pendulums and there is an equation of motion that contains a double dot (Umlaut) above an angle. What does this mean / is this a standard notation in equations of motion?...
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Question regarding Energy Interaction of two particles
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To give a context as to what I'm asking here ,I am talking about the energy of a two particle system (section 4.9 Taylor's Classical Mechanics) .
My question is what ...
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Derivation of Lagrange's equation form d'Alembert's Principle
Im studying Mechanics form Goldstein. I cross this equation in "Derivation of Lagranges equation from d'Alembert's Principle",section 1.4. I have two questions from this derivation.
The ...
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What does this vertical line notation mean?
Here is the definition of the Noether momentum in my script.
$$I = \left.\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}} \frac{d x}{d \alpha} \right|_{\alpha=0} = \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}} = m \dot{x} = ...
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How to prove that $ \delta \frac{dq_i}{dt} = \frac{d \delta q_i}{dt} $? [duplicate]
During the proof of least action principle my prof used the equation $ \delta \frac{dx}{dt} = \frac{d \delta x}{dt} $. We were not proved this equality. I was curious to know why this is true so I ...
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Partial derivative in Newtons Second law
Newton's second law states Force is the time derivative of momentum. But is it a total derivative or partial derivative? What is the reason behind it?
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Deriving Euler-Lagrange equation [duplicate]
I have derive the Euler-Lagrange equation which is equation (2) for a condition in which generalised velocity is independent on the generalised coordinate but when generalised velocity is dependent on ...
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Velocity in generalized coordinates
Consider the expression of velocity in generalized coordinates, $\mathbf v = \frac {d \mathbf x}{dt}$, where $\mathbf x = \mathbf x (\mathbf q(t), t)$.
We end up with a total derivative, i.e $$\...
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Derivatives of the lagrangian of generalized coordinates [closed]
I know that
$$U= \frac{1}{2} \sum_{j,k} A_{jk} q_j q_k \quad \quad T= \frac{1}{2} \sum_{j,k} m_{jk} \dot{q}_j \dot{q}_k $$
and the lagrangian is
$$ \frac{\partial U}{\partial q_k} - \frac{d}{dt} \...
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Questions regarding the derivation of Euler-Lagrange Equation from Taylor's Classical Mechanics
I'm self-studying classical mechanics from Taylor's book. I saw his derivation of the Euler-Lagrange Equation and I'm confused about something, he created a 'wrong' function $$Y(x) = y(x)+\eta(x)\tag{...
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Rigorous treatment for continuous mass systems
I would like to ask if anyone knows an accessible, yet rigorous way of passing from a discrete system of mass-points to a continuous mass system.
For instance, we clearly know how to define the ...
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Implications of Galilei-Invariance on a time-independent potential
I'm trying to compute a result shown in my classical mechanics lecture on my own. Namely, consider that a system composed of $n$ particles follows a law of force
$m_k\ddot{\vec{x_k}} = \vec{F_k}(\vec{...
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How do total time derivatives of partial derivatives of functions work?
Say im trying to prove $\frac{\partial \dot{T}}{\partial \dot{q}^i} - 2\frac{\partial {T}}{\partial {q^i}} = - \frac{\partial {V}}{\partial {q^i}}$ from the Lagrangian equation: $L = T - V$, and the ...
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Step in derivation of Lagrangian mechanics
There is a step in expressing the momentum in terms of general coordinates that confuses me (Link)
\begin{equation}
\left(\sum_{i}^{n} m_{i} \ddot{\mathbf{r}}_{i} \cdot \frac{\partial \mathbf{r}_{i}}{\...
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Velocities - Equation 1.46 of Goldstein 3rd edition
In his derivation of the Euler-Lagrange equations from D'Alembert's principle, Goldstein
uses the parametrization (equation 1.45')
$$\displaystyle{\vec{r_i}=\vec{r_i}(q_1,q_2, ..., q_n, t)}\tag{1.45'}$...
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How to define differentiation of a time-dependent vectors with respect to a specific reference frame in a coordinate-free manner?
It is usual in classical mechanics to introduce the derivative of a time-dependent vector with respect to a reference frame. This is accomplished through the use of a basis that is fixed with respect ...
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In Euler-Lagrange equations, why we take ${\partial T}/{\partial {x}} $ as zero (when no terms of $x$ is present)?
Basically, why we treat them as independent quantities. I know what a partial derivative is, It means if a function depends on multiple variables, the partial derivative with respect to a particular ...
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Derivative with respect to vector of a function depending on vectors
I've been trying to understand this concept for hours without any success. I found similar questions on this forum (Derivative with respect to a vector is a gradient?) but I still don't understand.
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Energy change under point transformation
How do the energy and generalized momenta change under the following
coordinate
transformation $$q= f(Q,t).$$
The new momenta: $$P = \partial L / \partial \dot Q = \partial L / \partial \dot q\times ...
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Determining the change in radius of water flowing from a faucet - more general question on differentiation
I've been outside of the academic world for several years now, and I'm forcing myself to go back through old textbooks and resources and work through the information in there. I can tell I'm losing ...
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Second derivative of energy as frequency of oscillations [closed]
Is there a way to algebraically see why when I take the second derivative of a potential energy in a point where it is minimal (force is zero), I generally get the frequency (squared) of the ...
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