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This is a problem involving a stick of mass m and length l which spins with frequency ω around an axis, as shown in the figure below. The stick makes an angle θ with the axis

The goal was to find the angular momentum and the magntude of the time derivative of the angular momentum. I completely understand how to calculate the angular momentum but i am confused with the magntiude of the derivative.

I do understand that only the horizontal component of the angular momentum vector changes over time in a circular motion and the vertical component stays fixed. I do understand that the horizontal component of $L$ is $Lcos(\theta)$. I do not understand why $|dL/dt|$ is equal to $w * Lcos(\theta)$.

EDIT : Why do we multiply $w$ to the horizontal component of L to get the |dL/dt|? $w$ is the angular velocity of the horizontal component of L around that axis and $Lcos(θ)$ is the magnitude of that horizontal component, or the length of that horizontal vector. Why do wet get the magnitude $dL/dt$ if we multiply those two?

"From the book Classical Mechanics by David Morin"

Figure from the book "Classical Mechanics" by David Morin

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  • $\begingroup$ What do you think the result should be? $\endgroup$
    – Miyase
    Commented Jul 31, 2022 at 7:56
  • $\begingroup$ I dont know to be honest, could you give me a tip? $\endgroup$
    – IBI
    Commented Jul 31, 2022 at 8:12
  • $\begingroup$ Your question is unclear. What causes trouble for you? Is it $\omega$? Is it $\cos(\theta)$? Is it the projection? Is it the fact that you're taking the derivative of a moving vector? If you don't give more details about the exact point of the computation that leaves you stuck, it's difficult to pinpoint the problem. $\endgroup$
    – Miyase
    Commented Jul 31, 2022 at 8:20
  • $\begingroup$ its why we mulitply $w$ to the horizontal component of $L$ to get the $|dL/dt|$? $w$ is the angular velocity of the horizontal component of $L$ around that axis and $Lcos(\theta)$ is the magnitude of that horizontal component, or the length of that horizontal vector. Why do wet get the magnitude $dL/dt$ if we multiply those two? $\endgroup$
    – IBI
    Commented Jul 31, 2022 at 8:31
  • $\begingroup$ You should add this to your question (by editing). Comments can be deleted, so important details mustn't be there. $\endgroup$
    – Miyase
    Commented Jul 31, 2022 at 8:35

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The moment of inertia of the rod for this rotation axis is: $$J=\frac{1}{12}\,ml^2\sin(\theta)$$ so its angular momentum is: $$\vec{L}=J\omega\,\vec{u}$$ with $\vec{u}$ the unit vector carrying $\vec{L}$ according to your figure.

The general formula for the derivative of a vector gives (for a vector in pure rotation): $$\frac{d\vec{L}}{dt} =\vec{\omega}\times\vec{L} =\omega L\,\vec{u}_z\times\vec{u}$$ with $\vec{\omega}=\omega\,\vec{u}_z$ the rotation vector (alongside the rotation axis). Taking the norm on both sides: $$\left\lVert\frac{d\vec{L}}{dt}\right\rVert =\omega L\left\lvert\sin\left(\frac{\pi}{2}-\theta\right)\right\rvert =\omega L\lvert\cos(\theta)\rvert$$ and since $\theta\in[0,\pi/2]$, the absolute value isn't necessary, hence the result.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you, that general formula was very helpful, i have tried it again my way and the result was exaclty the same. Thank you very much! Im sorry that i dont have enough reputation to upvote your post but ill accept this answer. $\endgroup$
    – IBI
    Commented Jul 31, 2022 at 9:04
  • $\begingroup$ Keep in mind that the vector derivative formula has an extra term in the most general case. See this page. $\endgroup$
    – Miyase
    Commented Jul 31, 2022 at 9:07
  • $\begingroup$ ahh yes, ill check that page, thank you again! $\endgroup$
    – IBI
    Commented Jul 31, 2022 at 9:12

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