1
$\begingroup$

In A Condensed Course of Quantum Mechanics by P. Cejnar, page 38, there is an equation which says: $$ \left[ \hat{\vec{p}} - q \vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}}) \right]^2 = \underbrace{\hat{\vec{p}}^2}_{-\hbar^2 \Delta} \underbrace{-q \left[ \hat{\vec{p}} \cdot \vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}}) + \vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}}) \cdot \hat{\vec{p}} \right]}_{\begin{array}{l} + i \hbar q \left[ \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} + \vec{A} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \right] = \\[2pt] + i \hbar q \left[ (\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A}) + 2\vec{A} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \right] \end{array}} + q^2 \vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}})^2. $$ The part $$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} + \vec{A} \cdot \vec{\nabla} = \left( \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} \right) + 2 \vec{A} \cdot \vec{\nabla}$$ seems really weird to me, at least notation-wise. I understand how this follows from the chain rule $$ \left( \vec{\nabla} + \vec{A} \right)^2 \psi = \Delta\psi + \left(\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{A}\right)\psi + 2 \vec{A}\cdot\vec{\nabla}\psi + A^2\psi $$ but I really struggle to make sense of the refinement in the sense of operators, without the $\psi$. The way I would approach this would be saying that “$\vec{\nabla}\cdot$” is the divergence operator (which should be a linear operator afaik) and saying that “$\vec{A}$” is an operator in the sense of multiplication by scalar. These operators would act on the following spaces: $$ \vec{\nabla}\cdot: \mathcal{H}^3 \to \mathcal{H} \\ \vec{A}: \mathcal{H} \to \mathcal{H}^3 $$ The first obvious observation then would be that they are not associative: $$ \vec{\nabla}\cdot \left( \vec{A} \psi \right) \neq \left( \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} \right) \psi, $$ since $$ \mathrm{div}(\vec{A} \psi) \neq \mathrm{div}(\vec{A}) \psi. $$

This shouldn't ever happen to linear operators, right? What am I missing?

The next weird thing is that “$\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{A}$” and “$(\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{A})$” don't mean the same thing. While the first denotes an operator mapping $\psi \mapsto \mathrm{div}(\vec{A}\psi)$, the second is supposed to mean $\psi \mapsto \mathrm{div}(\vec{A})\psi$. I guess it could be formalized that for operators $A, B$ the composition $AB$ really means $\psi \mapsto A(B\psi)$ and since most operators are associative, we wouldn't notice. But still, it seems weird and I can't think of a way to write $\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{A}$ without this glaring abuse of notation…

$\endgroup$
5
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ I fear your question is magnificently unclear. The ≠ expression that puzzles you is an equality. It is a dot product of two vectors whose components are operators. Would writing the quantities in components, demarcating their exact meaning, clarify things to you? Write your disputed equation in components to reassure the reader you know exactly what the shorthand notation means. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 28, 2020 at 16:03
  • $\begingroup$ I used the notation in the way Cejnar uses it in his book, and assumed it was universally understandable. (The first equation is copied exactly from his book and the rest of the question is consistent with it.) Now I start to realize that the only problem actually was his non-standard use of notation. I added $\mathrm{div}$ to the final inequality, hopefully it's clear now what the notation means. $\endgroup$
    – csha
    Commented Jan 28, 2020 at 16:26
  • $\begingroup$ Now I see that by $(\nabla \cdot A) \psi$ he doesn't mean composition of operators “$\nabla \cdot$” and “A”. What he really meant was $\mathrm{div}(A) \hat{I}$, where $\hat{I}$ is the unit operator. I'll write answer to my own question shortly – just in case the book will make anyone else confused, but I'm quite certain I understand it now. $\endgroup$
    – csha
    Commented Jan 28, 2020 at 16:33
  • $\begingroup$ I'm curious to know how the equation $\left[ \hat{\vec{p}} - q \vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}}) \right]^2 =\hat{\vec{p}}^2 \underbrace{-q \left[ \hat{\vec{p}} \cdot \vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}}) + \vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}} \cdot \hat{\vec{p}} ) \right]}_{\begin{array}{l} + i \hbar q \left[ \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} + \vec{A} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \right] \end{array}} + q^2 \vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}})^2$ would look like in proper notation ^^ $\endgroup$
    – Filippo
    Commented Feb 2, 2021 at 13:37
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ Oh, there was a misplaced parenthesis, it should read $\vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}}) \cdot \hat{\vec{p}}$, not $\vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}} \cdot \hat{\vec{p}})$. Thank you for noticing, I checked Cejnar's book and it's written correctly there. If we fix this one mistake, Cejnar's notation is quite “proper” as it stands :) If you wanted to use my pedantic notation for multiplication operators, you'd just replace all $\vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}})$ with $\hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A}$ and the last $\vec{A}(\hat{\vec{x}})^2$ with $\hat{M}_{\lVert \vec{A} \rVert^2}$. $\endgroup$
    – csha
    Commented Feb 2, 2021 at 15:53

3 Answers 3

3
$\begingroup$

Introduction

Quantum Mechanics has many different mathematical objects that are written the same way in the typical physicist's notation. This is not a problem if both the writer and the reader know what meaning was intended, but it can be quite difficult for the freshmen to interpret. Disambiguating all the different meanings is so tiresome that not even mathematical physicists do it properly, but I'll try to be very pedantic in order to highlight all the nuances.

Pedantic notation

It is clear from the equation, that the wavefunction is defined on some part of the 3-dimensional space $\Omega \subseteq \mathbb{R}^3$. Therefore, the Hilbert space we'll be working with is $\mathcal{H} = L^2(\Omega)$. We will use the notation $\mathscr{L}(\mathcal{H})$ to signify the set of all operators from (a dense subspace of) $\mathcal{H}$ to $\mathcal{H}$.

First, we will introduce the multiplication operator. Let $f \in C^\infty(\Omega)$. We define an operator $\hat M_f \in \mathscr{L}(\mathcal{H})$ by $$ \big( \, \hat M_f \, \psi \, \big)(x) = f(x) \, \psi(x) \: . $$ There's really nothing special about it, the operator just takes a function $\psi$ and multiplies it by another function $f$. A common physicist would write this just as $f$ or $\hat f$. However, $\hat M_f$ will help us better differentiate between functions and operators.

The multiplication operator has an interesting commutation relation with a the derivative: $$ \Big[ \frac{\partial}{\partial x}, \; \hat{M}_f \Big] = \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \hat{M}_f - \hat{M}_f \frac{\partial}{\partial x} = \hat{M}_{\frac{\partial}{\partial x} f} $$ You can check this by applying it to $\psi$.

The equation in question is complicated by the fact that we go from scalars to vectors and back. To properly distinguish the objects, we will give the letters nice hats and arrows: $$ \begin{align*} B &\in \mathcal{H} \text{ or } C^\infty(\mathbb{\Omega}) \\[5pt] \vec{B} &\in \mathcal{H}^3 \text{ or } C^\infty(\mathbb{\Omega})^3 \\[5pt] \hat{B} &\in \mathscr{L}(\mathcal{H}) \\[5pt] \hat{\vec{B}} &\in \mathscr{L}(\mathcal{H})^3 \end{align*} $$ The multicomponent operator $\hat{\vec{B}}$ is really just a triplet of operators $\big( \hat B_x, \hat B_y, \hat B_z \big)$.

It is quite straightforward to generalize the multiplication operator to vectors. Let $\vec A \in C^\infty(\mathbb{\Omega})^3$, we define an operator $\hat{\vec M}_{\vec A} \in \mathscr{L}(\mathcal{H})^3$ by $$ \hat{\vec M}_{\vec A} = \begin{pmatrix} \hat M_{A_x} \\ \hat M_{A_y} \\ \hat M_{A_z} \end{pmatrix} $$ We also extend the dot product to operators: $$ \hat{\vec{A}} \cdot \hat{\vec{B}} = \begin{pmatrix} \hat{A}_x \\ \hat{A}_y \\ \hat{A}_z \end{pmatrix} \cdot \begin{pmatrix} \hat{B}_x \\ \hat{B}_y \\ \hat{B}_z \end{pmatrix} = \hat{A}_x\hat{B}_x + \hat{A}_y\hat{B}_y + \hat{A}_z\hat{B}_z, $$ but now, instead of multiplication, the end result means composition of operators. The notation $\hat{\vec{B}}\vphantom{B}^2$ obviously means $\hat{\vec{B}} \cdot \hat{\vec{B}}$. Finally, we define the operator $\hat{\vec\nabla}$ as $$ \hat{\vec\nabla} = \begin{pmatrix} \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \\ \frac{\partial}{\partial y} \\ \frac{\partial}{\partial z} \end{pmatrix} $$

Simplifying the equation

Now we're well equipped for the equation in question.

Since $\vec{A}$ is a (smooth) vector field, not an operator, we need to replace it by $\hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A}$. Then we get: $$ \begin{align*} \left( \hat{\vec{\nabla}} + \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} \right)^2 &= \left( \hat{\vec{\nabla}} + \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} \right) \cdot \left( \hat{\vec{\nabla}} + \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} \right) \\ &= \hat{\vec{\nabla}} \!\cdot\! \hat{\vec{\nabla}} \;+\; \hat{\vec{\nabla}} \!\cdot\! \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} \;+\; \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} \cdot\! \hat{\vec{\nabla}} \;+\; \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} \cdot\! \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} \\ \hphantom{|} \\ \hat{\vec{\nabla}} \cdot \hat{\vec{\nabla}} &= \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\frac{\partial}{\partial x} + \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\frac{\partial}{\partial y} + \frac{\partial}{\partial z}\frac{\partial}{\partial z} = \hat{\Delta} \\ \hphantom{|} \\ \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} \cdot \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} &= \hat{M}_{A_x} \hat{M}_{A_x} + \hat{M}_{A_y} \hat{M}_{A_y} + \hat{M}_{A_z} \hat{M}_{A_z} = \hat{M}_{\left\|\vec{A}\right\|^2} \\ \hphantom{|} \\ \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A}\cdot\hat{\vec{\nabla}} &= \hat{M}_{A_x} \frac{\partial}{\partial x} + \hat{M}_{A_y} \frac{\partial}{\partial y} + \hat{M}_{A_z} \frac{\partial}{\partial z} \end{align*} $$ Since there is no point in expanding $\hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A}\cdot\hat{\vec{\nabla}}$, as there is clearly no way to simplify it further, we chose to denote it with $\hat\nabla_{\!\vec A}$. If you think about it for a bit, it is the directional derivative operator in the direction of $\vec A$. Now to the last part: $$ \begin{align*} \hat{\vec{\nabla}} \cdot \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} &= \frac{\partial}{\partial x}\hat{M}_{A_x} + \frac{\partial}{\partial y}\hat{M}_{A_y} + \frac{\partial}{\partial z}\hat{M}_{A_z} \\ &= \left( \hat{M}_{\frac{\partial}{\partial x} A_x} + \hat{M}_{\frac{\partial}{\partial y} A_y} + \hat{M}_{\frac{\partial}{\partial z} A_z} \right) + \left(\hat{M}_{A_x}\frac{\partial}{\partial x} + \hat{M}_{A_y}\frac{\partial}{\partial y} + \hat{M}_{A_z}\frac{\partial}{\partial z} \right). \end{align*} $$ This follows from the commutation relation of $\hat M_f$ and a derivative. Now we recognize that on the left side, there's the divergence of the vector field $\vec{A}$, while on the right side that's our familiar $\hat\nabla_{\!\vec A}$. Thus we conclude: $$ \hat{\vec{\nabla}}\cdot\hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} = \hat{M}_{\operatorname{div} \vec{A}} + \hat\nabla_{\!\vec A}. $$

Finally, putting all this together results in: $$ \left( \hat{\vec{\nabla}} + \hat{\vec{M}}_{\vec A} \right)^2 = \hat{\Delta} + \hat{M}_{\operatorname{div} \vec{A}} + 2\,\hat\nabla_{\!\vec A} + \hat{M}_{\left\|\vec{A}\right\|^2} \: , $$ which is our desired result.

So no, divergence is not non-associative. There are just two very different operators – directional derivative $\hat\nabla_{\!\vec A}$ and multiplication by divergence $\hat{M}_{\operatorname{div} \vec{A}}$ – which are written the same way due to imperfect notation.

$\endgroup$
5
  • $\begingroup$ You wrote $\vec{A}\in\mathcal{H}^3$, did you mean $\vec{A}=(A_x,A_y,A_z)\in L(\mathcal{H},\mathcal{H})^3$? $\endgroup$
    – Filippo
    Commented Feb 1, 2021 at 20:46
  • $\begingroup$ Yes, I did mean that. See, I wrote this answer at a point in my life, where I didn't understand multiplication operators very well 😅️. The answer needs some rewriting in order to be completely correct, but I don't know where to start 😁️ $\endgroup$
    – csha
    Commented Feb 1, 2021 at 21:05
  • $\begingroup$ Seems like you made huge progress in the last year. Did you mean "vector operators" instead of "multiplication operators"? $\endgroup$
    – Filippo
    Commented Feb 1, 2021 at 21:19
  • $\begingroup$ @Filippo I've edited the answer to satisfy my current standards :) If you find the current version worse in any way, or if you don't understand any part of it, please let me know. $\endgroup$
    – csha
    Commented Feb 1, 2021 at 23:56
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ Nice :) As far as I understand, you wanted to prove $\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} + \vec{A} \cdot \vec{\nabla} = \left( \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} \right) + 2 \vec{A} \cdot \vec{\nabla}$ and to do so, you have instead proved $\left( \vec{\nabla} + \vec{A} \right)^2= \Delta + \left(\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{A}\right) + 2 \vec{A}\cdot\vec{\nabla} + A^2$, which you consider equivalent. Is that correct? $\endgroup$
    – Filippo
    Commented Feb 2, 2021 at 7:45
0
$\begingroup$

The part $$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} + \vec{A} \cdot \vec{\nabla} = \left( \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{A} \right) + 2 \vec{A} \cdot \vec{\nabla}$$ seems really weird to me, at least notation-wise.

Put a $\psi$ on the side and you will understand for sure. The textbook is unfortunately very unclear while explaining the notations and this here is a classical example. Let me redo the calculation again.

$$ \left( \vec{\nabla} + \vec{A} \right)^2 \psi$$ $$=\left( \vec{\nabla} + \vec{A} \right)\left( \vec{\nabla} + \vec{A} \right) \psi$$ $$=\left( \vec{\nabla} + \vec{A} \right)\left( \vec{\nabla}\psi + \vec{A}\psi \right) $$ $$=\vec{\nabla}\left( \vec{\nabla}\psi + \vec{A}\psi \right) + \vec{A}\left( \vec{\nabla}\psi + \vec{A}\psi \right) $$ $$= \nabla^2\psi + \vec{\nabla}\cdot\left(\vec{A}\psi\right) + \vec{A}\cdot\left(\vec{\nabla}\psi\right) + A^2\psi$$ $$= \nabla^2\psi + \underbrace{\left(\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{A}\right)\psi+\vec{A}\cdot\left(\vec{\nabla}\psi\right)}_{\vec{\nabla}\cdot\left(\vec{A}\psi\right)} + \vec{A}\cdot\left(\vec{\nabla}\psi\right) + A^2\psi$$ $$= \nabla^2\psi + \left(\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{A}\right)\psi + 2\vec{A}\cdot\left(\vec{\nabla}\psi\right) + A^2\psi$$

That is, without the $\psi$, speaking clearly in just operator language, we get $$\left( \vec{\nabla} + \vec{A} \right)^2= \nabla^2 + \left(\vec{\nabla}\cdot\vec{A}\right) + 2\vec{A}\cdot \vec{\nabla} + A^2$$

This is what the author tried to convey here.

Hope this helps you.

$\endgroup$
1
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ Thank you for your time and sorry for maybe not being explicit enough about it, but I do understand how it works with $\psi$. What I fail at is understanding the refinment formally in the language of operators, without $\psi$. I think I understand what's going on now, but it takes a while to put it into rigorous operator algebra… But I'm working on it. $\endgroup$
    – csha
    Commented Jan 28, 2020 at 17:21
0
$\begingroup$

This should help you:

$$\nabla\cdot(\varphi \vec{A}) = (\nabla\varphi) \cdot \vec{A} + \varphi (\nabla\cdot\vec{A})$$

The problem is that the book is a bit confusing. Put a $\varphi$ do right side of your expression and u will understand why $$(\nabla \cdot \vec{A})\neq \nabla \cdot \vec{A}$$

$\endgroup$

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service and acknowledge you have read our privacy policy.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.