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I was looking at reviews for Sakurai's Quantum Mechanics textbook, and some mentioned it being outdated, specifically mentioning his use of imaginary time. Is this idea deliberately avoided in modern treatments?

I can't see why a simple parameter change $t\to it$, would be or not be an outdated concept. It doesn't make things significantly prettier, but it doesn't hurt anything either.

With that said I've never before heard the specific phrase imaginary time so maybe it is outdated.

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I can't see why a simple parameter change t->it, would be or not be an outdated concept. It doesn't make things significantly prettier, but it doesn't hurt anything either.

The idea of imaginary time was introduced in this context in an effort to shoehorn Euclidean geometry into special relativity. The minus sign in the spacetime interval

$$\mathrm ds^2 = \color{red}{-} \mathrm dt^2 + \mathrm dx^2 + \mathrm dy^2 + \mathrm dz^2$$

was unsettling (the Euclidean norm is positive-definite), and so it was resolved by simply using $it$ as the time coordinate, in which case $$\mathrm ds^2 = \mathrm d(it)^2 + \mathrm dx^2 + \mathrm dy^2 + \mathrm dz^2$$

While this does clear up that minus sign, it also begs the question of why the time coordinate should be imaginary, so this is a zero-sum game.


In the modern understanding of special relativity, we realize that spacetime is not Euclidean, but rather Minkowski. The fact that the Minkowski (pseudo)norm is not positive definite is physically significant, and is tied to the fact that light-like trajectories must remain light-like under arbitrary coordinate transformations (which is in turn tied to the fact that $c$ has a fundamental significance to the geometry of spacetime). In that way, the minus sign which we were trying to hide by introducing imaginary time is in fact essential and physical.

Additionally, this geometrical understanding of special relativity can be straightforwardly generalized to a curved Lorenzian manifold for General Relativity, in a way which is impossible for the Euclidean geometry + $it$ prescription.

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Let me try to clear up the comments and answers already given by simply stating: imaginary time is not an outdated concept at all! In fact, if you ever take a course on QFT (which I suppose depends upon your professor and text), you'll want to use the imaginary time transformation namely $t\rightarrow -i\tau$ when doing momentum integrals in order to make them analytically solvable (the Minkowski integrals can be solved as well, but require a more careful process). In this context (and in the literature), this is process is called a Wick rotation. The Wick rotation is still widely used in almost all aspects of physics that uses aspects of QFT.

As an example of how the Wick rotation is used in research, consider de Sitter spacetime given as \begin{equation} ds^2 = \frac{1}{(\eta H)^2}\left(-d\eta^2 +d\mathbf{x}^2\right) \end{equation} where $\eta$ is conformal time and $H$ is the Hubble parameter. We can perform a conformal Wick rotation namely $\eta\rightarrow i\tau$ giving us an all plus signature on the metric. This is now Euclidean de Sitter or abbreviated typically as EdS space. I can also perform the following transformation giving $H\rightarrow i\ell$ where $\ell$ is some new inverse length parameter, and I get now an overall minus sign, which is actually Euclidean Anti-de Sitter space (EAdS).

So no, imaginary time (or Wick rotations are not outdated); it is still a handy math trick, but there are caveats when using it. For example, the results in EAdS compared to EdS can disagree in the IR, and you have to be extremely careful when performing the analytic continuation (which is all that a Wick rotation is) since you could hit poles (of any kind) that prevents such a transformation. This is sometimes why it is not used in certain cases.

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  • $\begingroup$ I would argue that there is a distinction between the imaginary time formulation of SR present in older literature on elementary relativity and Wick rotations as implemented in more advanced modern contexts. Particularly insofar as the latter is regarded as a useful and mathematically illuminating tool, rather than a statement about the actual nature of spacetime. $\endgroup$
    – J. Murray
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  • $\begingroup$ @J.Murray oh no 100%. Older textbooks describing imaginary time make absolutely no sense. Wick rotations should just be viewed nowadays as clever--analytic rotations by some phase angle (typically taken to be $\pi/2$) that help us prove things like causality, identify pole structure, solve integrals, etc. But nothing actually physical. $\endgroup$
    – MathZilla
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You can call it imaginary time or you can call it negative spatial distance. It doesn't matter. The second is just a Wick rotation of the first.

You can also flip the signature and use the Einstein representation, +---, in which time is positive.

But no matter what you want to call it, time "acts" like negative distance.

BTW, if you take a vector extending into both time and space, rotating it into the space direction (to the right) is acceleration. That gives the interval more extent in space and less in time. That's time dilation. But that's Minkowski space.

If you rotate a vector in Lorentzian space (where one dimension is negative, i.e., reality) the length of the interval vector will be negative if an object exceeds the speed of light.

Elapsed time is negative distance.

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I believe "imaginary time" would be more like adding another dimension to time.So just like there are 3 spatial dimensions , we would have 2 timelike dimensions.

I remember watching a episode of "Through the wormhole with Morgan Freeman"(I think it is the episode "Is time real?") where there was a scientist that was trying to explain the quantum uncertainties and speculated that if we added another dimension of time ,we could make QM deterministic.

However as in the episode , proving that another dimension of time exists is impossible because all of the physics assume 1 dimension of time and we would need to rewrite the entire physics.

However there is also a logical argument against time having more than 1 dimensions:For space we need left and right , top and bottom and in and out however time only seems to have forward and backward and not only that but we cannot access events that happened in the past or in the future.So in my personal opinion not only there are not more dimensions of time ,but I think time itself could be a illusion.

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