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If an accelerometer sitting at rest on the earths surface measures 1 G of acceleration upward. How do we know "space" (the reference) isn't rushing down into the earth. I mean experimentally that's what it looks like right?

Imagine space is a fluid rushing into the earth and an object "at rest" on the earths surface would be resisting the flow down and relative to this flowing space, accelerating upward.

Think of the earth as a drain with space itself being sucked into it from every angle. Where does the space go? Its not important for this question but we could say for arguments sake that the combined subatomic superposition of all the subatomic particles of the earths mass actually take up space and the faster the earth moves the more space they take up... whatever. But I'm just asking how do we know that space is curved and not flowing down into the earth?

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  • $\begingroup$ What? Experimentally it looks as if things (that start close enough for Newton to be a good description) fall toward the earth with acceleration $g$. What is your question exactly? $\endgroup$
    – ACuriousMind
    Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 14:15
  • $\begingroup$ @ACuriousMind: "What?": "...an accelerometer at rest on the surface of the earth will measure an acceleration g= 9.81 m/s2 straight upwards, due to its weight. By contrast, accelerometers in free fall or at rest in outer space will measure zero." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerometer $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 14:21
  • $\begingroup$ @bright magus: Alright, so an accelerometer essentially measures its proper acceleration in its frame of reference. I still don't get what that has to do with the question title or "space rushing down into the earth". $\endgroup$
    – ACuriousMind
    Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 14:27
  • $\begingroup$ @ACuriousMind: True, it actually seems like "earth rushing out into space". $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 14:30
  • $\begingroup$ I think you (the OP) should think more carefully about what an accelerometer measures. The $g$ it measures when lying on the earth is the normal force the earth exerts on it, it has nothing to do with anything moving. $\endgroup$
    – ACuriousMind
    Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 14:54

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There is a sense in which your suggestion is correct.

The gravitational field of the Earth (above its surface) is described by the Schwarzschild metric. There are several different ways of writing this down, and the one relevant to this question is called the river model - the link is to a scientific paper, but it's quite readable even if you ignore all the equations.

Written this way the position of a freely falling object is stationary, but the spacetime around it is flowing inwards towards the Earth. It's called the river model because of the analogy with being swept along by the water in a river. You may be stationary with respect to the water around you, but you're moving with respect to an observer on the bank.

Don't take this description too seriously because spacetime is not a fluid like water, and what's flowing inwards towards the Earth is the coordinate system not anything material. The point this description of Earth's gravity makes is that acceleration and gravity really are the same thing. When you're standing on Earth's surface you are accelerating outwards (at 1g), but you're accelerating relative to a freely falling observer.

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integralanomaly5 asks:

also constant acceleration should reach ever higher speed.. yet some how we don't reach warp speed sitting here

The correspondance between acceleration and gravity is only local i.e. it applies only within an infinitesimal region of the point you're measuring the acceleration. Having said this there is a sense in which we do reach warp speed sitting here. But bear in mind there is a degree of playfulness in the following interpretation of your question.

First, note that constant acceleration doesn't mean an object ends up at warp speed, it means the object asymptotically approaches the speed of light. For more on this see the question Does the pilot of a rocket ship experience an asymptotic approach to the speed of light?. So your question should really be:

also constant acceleration should asymptotically approach the speed of light.. yet some how we don't asymptotically approach the speed of light sitting here

Ask yourself relative to whom are we measuring our acceleration. Well, we're measuring it relative to the freely falling observer passing us. So if we're going to measure the change in velocity the acceleration on us is causing we need to measure it relative to the freely falling observer. If we are really accelerating then the velocity of the freely falling observer relative to us should asymptotically approach the speed of light.

The trouble with doing this measurement on Earth is that the freely falling observer just hits the ground with a splat. We need to take the ground away by compressing all the Earth's mass into a point at the centre i.e. turn the Earth into a black hole with use hovering at a distance on one Earth radius from the centre. Now what happens? Well it depends who you ask. From our perpsective the freely falling observer initially accelerates inwards, but as they approach the black hole their velocity decreases and actually tends to zero at the event horizon. They would take an infinite time to reach the horizon.

But in general relativity measurements are only really relevant if you do them locally. So what we need is someone else hovering just above the event horizon and ask them what speed the freely falling observer is falling. As it happens I've just answered this in response to the question Black holes and Time Dilation at the horizon. A person hovering at a distance $r$ from the event horizon sees a falling object pass at a speed given by:

$$ v = c \left( \frac{2M}{r} \right)^{1/2} $$

and at the horizon $r = 2M$ so at the event horizon a hovering observer sees the object pass at the speed of light.

Gosh I've ranted on a bit, so lets do a brief recap.

  • with constant acceleration the object asymptotically approaches the speed of light and reaches it after infinite time and at an infinite distance

  • if we're stationary at the Earth's radius from a black hole with the mass of the Earth then relative to us a falling object asymptotically approaches the speed of light and reaches it after infinite time at the event horizon

So the two situations really are analogous, though you might be justified in claiming it's a rather tenuous analogy :-)

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks for the link. I know that this is not the current way of describing gravity. And I know I'm not the first person to think of this. I just wonder how it has been ruled out as a possibility and why curved space is now the excepted model. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 15:25
  • $\begingroup$ When an object is being carried by water, and the movement is accelerated one, accelerometer is not showing zero, is it? $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 15:30
  • $\begingroup$ I see what you mean. In this case the surface of the earth is holding the object against the flow but you would expect at a constant rate not acceleration. good point also constant acceleration should reach ever higher speed.. yet some how we don't reach warp speed sitting here ... $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 15:41
  • $\begingroup$ @integralanomaly5: (If your comment was meant for me), what I wanted to say is that in case of gravity accelerometer readings are exactly opposite as they are in the river model. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 15:49
  • $\begingroup$ @integralanomaly5: I've updated my answer to respond to your comment. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 16:54
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In regards to your question about imagining space as a fluid, you aren't the first to think that. I would recommend doing some reading about the old theory of Aether. Also Luminfierous Aether. This was an older theory that a lot of physicists supported until it was disproved by the Michelson-Morley experiment

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  • $\begingroup$ yeah thanks for the link. The Aether theory is slightly different to what I am asking as they imagined the aether as separate to gravity. But I am asking if it flowing space IS gravity. The Michelson-Morley experiment was looking for the flowing ethers effect on light. They didn't find it. But gravitational lensing has been observed and I wonder if it could be caused by flowing space instead of curved space. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 7, 2014 at 0:36

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