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Please consider the following setting: body A is placed on the floor (which has no friction). Body B is placed on body A. There is static friction between the two.

A horizontal force P is applied on body A, making it accelerate to the left. Thanks to the static friction, body B comes along with it in the exact same speed and acceleration.

In terms of horizontal forces in this situation, my understanding is:

Body A experiences force P pushing it to the left. It also experiences the static friction force Fs[from-B-to-A], pushing it to the right.

Body B experiences the force Fs[from-A-to-B], pushing it to the left. The two Fs forces are of course identical in magnitude thanks to Newton's 3rd Law.

My question is:

Would A accelerate faster if it didn't have B on its back?

Logically, since the both are locked together, and there's no floor friction, I don't see why B should affect the acceleration of A.

However, looking at the forces, it seems to me that Fs[from-B-to-A] should play a role in reducing the acceleration value of A.

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  • $\begingroup$ The two friction forces are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction due to Newton's 3rd law. Newton's 2nd law is F=ma. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 24, 2023 at 20:16
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    $\begingroup$ Hint: If the two blocks are "locked together" you can treat them like a single solid object whose mass simply is the sum of the masses of each of the blocks. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 24, 2023 at 20:34
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    $\begingroup$ Ever notice how a wheeled cart gets harder to push the more you load into it? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 24, 2023 at 20:53
  • $\begingroup$ "Logically, since the both are locked together, and there's no floor friction, I don't see why B should affect the acceleration of A" You already noted that if the maximum static friction force between A and B is not exceeded, the two blocks will move as one. Isn't it obvious that B will affect the acceleration of A since the force P has to accelerate two blocks instead of one? $\endgroup$
    – Bob D
    Commented Aug 24, 2023 at 21:16
  • $\begingroup$ @NuclearHoagie Indeed. But starting physics recently, I assumed that this was simply due to the normal force from the floor to the cart getting larger the more the cart weights. However I know understand that even with frictionless floor, when the cart has more mass, the sum of forces acted upon it will be divided by a larger value, resulting in less acceleration. This was my missing piece :) $\endgroup$
    – Aviv Cohn
    Commented Aug 25, 2023 at 8:04

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Would A accelerate faster if it didn't have B on its back?

If $A$ is not moving relative to $B$ it does not matter what forces act between them be they frictional, chemical bonds etc, you are comparing the acceleration of a mass $m_{\rm A}$ when acted on by a force $P$ with the acceleration of a mass $m_{\rm A}+m_{\rm B}$ when acted on by a force $P$.

$P= m_{\rm A}\,a_{\rm A}$ compared with $P= (m_{\rm A}+m_{\rm B})\,a_{\rm AB} \Rightarrow (m_{\rm A}+m_{\rm B})>m_{\rm A}$ thus $a_{\rm AB}< a_{\rm A}$

Note also that if the system is block $A$ and block $B$ the frictional forces are internal forces and a Newton's third law pair with resultant zero.

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I think you have presented all the information you need pretty clearly. You are just failing at observing the result. I can see two ways of concluding the answer:

Option 1: Look at the system as a whole: you have two bodies with a combined mass, the two Fs forces cancel each other (as they are equal and opposite), so you end up with P moving the combined mass of A and B. The system will obviously accelerate slower than if A was on its own and subjected to the same P force.

Option 2: Look at A only: A is subjected to P force and one Fs force only (from B to A). Being in opposite direction, resulting force will be (P - Fs), giving a resulting force smaller than P, hence providing A body with less acceleration that what P would have provided. Note, that Fs from A to B is not contemplated in this case, as this is a force that is applied to body B only, not A.

Both ways of looking at it draw the same conclusion: body A will accelerate slower when body B is on top of it if subjected to the same P force.

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