2
$\begingroup$
  1. In classical mechanics we define the action as $$S[x(t)] = \int L(x(t),\dot{x}(t),t)\,\mathrm{d}t$$ and continue to minimize the action and derive the Euler-Lagrange equations. Given $S$ is a definite integral, it is a functional and hence maps to $\mathbb{R}$. I am wondering what space we are pulling the $x(t)$'s from? I would think it should be something like $\mathrm{C}^2(\mathbb{R})$ since we want $F = m\ddot{x}$ to make sense.

  2. However, I know when we start talking about the Feynman path-integral the paths that come out are actually non-differentiable so clearly the domain has been enlarged in some sense. What is the domain in this setting then?

$\endgroup$
2
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ Well the $x(t)$'s come from the configuration space in classical mechanics and hilbert space in quantum mechanics, if that is what you wanted to know. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 21, 2017 at 20:47
  • $\begingroup$ The answer by SchrodingersCat totally misses the point of the question. The answer talks about what space the points (x, x' ,t) are in, but the question is about what space of path functions from that space to \mathbb{R} are allowable. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 20, 2017 at 18:53

1 Answer 1

2
$\begingroup$

I think there should be some reason, why people are always so reluctant to specify this domain. Maybe this is because if the domain is specified, one ends up going outside that domain in applications anyway. All I can say about this is how the most basic choice of domain works:

Let $X\subseteq\mathbb{R}^n$ be open and $-\infty<\alpha<\beta<\infty$. Let $L:[\alpha,\beta]\times X\times \mathbb{R}^n\to \mathbb{R}$ be continuously differentiable. Then the integral $$S[x]:=\int_{\alpha}^{\beta}L(t,x(t),\dot{x}(t))\ dt$$ exists for any $x$ in the Banach space $C^1([\alpha,\beta],X)$.

One may ask what the stationary points of $S$ are in this space. Usually one wants specific boundary conditions for $x$. In this case one can restrict the domain to something like $\{x\in C^1([\alpha,\beta],X): x(\alpha)=a, x(\beta)=b\}$, which is still a Banach space. (edit: As pointed out by Philippe Malot, it is not a vector space, unless $a=b=0$. If that condition is fulfilled, it is a Banach space.) Here one later considers "variations that vanish on the boundary".

To get the Euler-Lagrange equations in this context one has:

Theorem If $x\in C^1([\alpha,\beta],X)$ (or in the subspace with fixed bounary values) is a local extremum of $S$ (defined as above) and further the function $$[\alpha,\beta]\ni t\mapsto \partial_3 L(t,x(t), \dot{x}(t))$$ is continuously differentiable, then the Euler-Lagrange equation holds: $$\partial_2 L(t,x(t),\dot{x}(t))=\frac{d}{dt}\{\partial_3 L(t,x(t),\dot{x}(t))\}.$$

Certainly this is way to restrictive for most applications. But at least it's a true, mathematically precise result. None of the above is even remotely useful when working towards path integrals. One can generalize the above to include piecewise differentiable functions, which allows them to have corners (and in non-novex variational problems these are often extremizers), but that is still fairly restrictive.

In a more geometric view of Classical Mechanics one works with smooth manifolds, and requires just about everything to be a smooth function. There is a lot of materials on Variational Calculus on smooth manifolds (I don't know any introductory source that I could recomend, in fact I'm looking for good references for this!). In a mathematical treatment of Classical Field Theory one would define the Lagrangian on a jet bundle.

Reference for quoted results:

Amann and Escher. Analysis 2. Birkhäuser, Basel, 2006.

$\endgroup$
4
  • $\begingroup$ How is this "way too restrictive" for most applications? Can you give an example in classical non-field mechanics where you'd need more? $\endgroup$
    – ACuriousMind
    Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 9:00
  • $\begingroup$ The piecewise case certainly does come up. For example when one considers idealized singular potentials, such as for describing collisions or in applications to ray optics. Also there must be some reason why the function space is never specified in physics literature? I was hoping, someone would know a reason, other than perhaps there being no real reason to care about this in applications. Also the main motivation for the question seems to be path integrals and the above doesn't answer this. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 9:18
  • $\begingroup$ Well, making the path integral rigorous is a wholly different cam of worms...the individual "parts" of the measure the physicist writes down don't actually exist in a straightforward manner, but at least in QM (not QFT), the Wiener measure provides a formalization. $\endgroup$
    – ACuriousMind
    Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 9:22
  • 1
    $\begingroup$ Unless $a=b=0$, the set of $C^1$ functions $x$ on $[\alpha,\beta]$ such that $x(\alpha)=a$ and $x(\beta)=b$ is not a vector space. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 17, 2020 at 20:30

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service and acknowledge you have read our privacy policy.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.