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Is the process $n + \bar{n} \rightarrow \pi^{+} + \pi^{-} + \pi^{0}$ possible?

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  • $\begingroup$ how you can explain that energy is not conserved for this process? $\endgroup$
    – Mass
    Commented Aug 31, 2016 at 18:04
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    $\begingroup$ @ Heitor, As it is your opinion that the energy conservation is violated, please show the justification in the support of your claim. $\endgroup$
    – Mass
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    $\begingroup$ I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it shows no research effort. $\endgroup$
    – ACuriousMind
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Within a few MeV, from isospin symmetry of the strong interaction, it is similar to the antiproton proton annihilation which happens even at rest: Role of Delta exchange for proton-antiproton annihilation into two-pion and three-pion channels .

No problem of energy conservation due to the much smaller masses of the pions to the two nucleons.

antiproton proton annihilation

This is an actual bubble chamber photograph of an antiproton (entering from the bottom of the picture), colliding with a proton (at rest), and annihilating. Eight pions were produced in this annihilation. One decayed into a mu + and a neutrino. The paths of positive and negative pions curve opposite ways in the magnetic field, and the neutral leaves no track.

This is antiproton proton, but antineutron-neutron would look the same (impossible to get a beam of antineutrons). Average pion multiplicity at rest is five, two pi0 3 charged (note, average).

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  • $\begingroup$ Anna I think throwing neutrons on high or relativistic speed together has nothing to do with an annihilation where particles of different electric sign and somehow equal structure (electron - positron or proton - antiproton) self-approach each other. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 31, 2016 at 19:32
  • $\begingroup$ I recall that the predominant baryon-antibaryon annihilation channel is five pions, but don't have a reference handy. $\endgroup$
    – rob
    Commented Aug 31, 2016 at 19:57
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    $\begingroup$ @SeanLake The PDG data on particle-antiparticle annihilations is restricted to meson states (that is, $q\bar q$). $\endgroup$
    – rob
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    $\begingroup$ @HolgerFiedler Note, "happens even at rest". see particleadventure.org/all_decay.html . The incoming antiproton has very small momentum and it loses a lot of it from ionization on the hydrogen molecules of the bubble chamber. Annihilation means loss of identifying quantum numbers. There are no protons or antiprotons in the product. neutron antineutron is the same, more difficult experiment. $\endgroup$
    – anna v
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    $\begingroup$ @SeanLake the average multiplicity at rest of antiproton proton annihilation is into five pions, 3 charged two neutral. arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ex/9708025.pdf ,page 3. Unfortunately fig 41.5 pdg.lbl.gov/2010/reviews/rpp2010-rev-cross-section-plots.pdf of the particle data book has a complicated function for the multiplicities of antiprotons ( subtractin the proton one) one needs to go to a library for the originals which were in the 1970s) $\endgroup$
    – anna v
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It might be suppressed for reasons I am too lazy to examine the process for (symmetry concerns, especially related to rotations), but energy is not a problem. If the two neutrinos have enough kinetic energy, it can be converted into the mass of the pions (among other possibilities, including electron-positron production). In math we're looking for solutions that satisfy all of the following equations: $$\begin{align}E_{\nu} + E_{\overline{\nu}} &= E_{+} + E_{0} + E_{-}, \\ \vec{p}_{\nu} + \vec{p}_{\overline{\nu}} &= \vec{p}_{+} + \vec{p}_{0} + \vec{p}_{-}, \\ m_{\nu}^2 c^4 &= E_{\nu}^2 - c^2 \vec{p}_{\nu}\cdot \vec{p}_{\nu}, \\ m_{\overline{\nu}}^2 c^4 &= E_{\overline{\nu}}^2 - c^2 \vec{p}_{\overline{\nu}}\cdot \vec{p}_{\overline{\nu}}, \\ m_+^2c^4 & = E_{+}^2 - c^2 \vec{p}_{+}\cdot \vec{p}_{+}, \\ m_0^2c^4 & = E_{0}^2 - c^2 \vec{p}_{0}\cdot \vec{p}_{0}, \ \mathrm{and} \\ m_-^2c^4 & = E_{-}^2 - c^2 \vec{p}_{-}\cdot \vec{p}_{-}. \end{align}$$ That's 9 equations and 12 unknowns, so the space of possible solutions has 3 dimensions.

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  • $\begingroup$ sorry but the question is about neutrons. $\endgroup$
    – anna v
    Commented Aug 31, 2016 at 18:11
  • $\begingroup$ No difference in the math - just substitute $\nu\rightarrow n$ and you'll get the exact same set of equations. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 31, 2016 at 18:12
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Nice question. As anna pointed out if neutron and anti-neutron are throwing together with some MeV, no question they will splash into different particles and EM radiation.

But what means annihilation? Usually it means the attraction of charged particles from different sign, for example an electron and a positron. During the approach they emit EM radiation and this process - like it happens between electron and proton or between positron and anti-proton - doesn't stops at some distance.

The neutron and the anti-neutron will not approach by themself and due to noexisting electric fields no annihilation takes place. There is an elaboration of mine about how the approach of charged particles can be modelled and due to this a neutron - antineutron annihilation is impossible (from the above definition of what an annihilation is). The existence of electric fields allows particles to get bonded or to be repealed.

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  • $\begingroup$ "Usually it means the attraction of charged particles from different sign" No. It doesn't. Sure, most of the usual example involve charged particles but that fact has absolutely nothing to do with the notion of annihilation which does involve the destruction of a pair of states having opposite counted quantum numbers (lepton, baryon, weak-hyperchage, electric charge and so on). Neutrons may have electric charge zero, but they carry baryon number. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 31, 2016 at 19:52
  • $\begingroup$ Your prediction that neutron-antineutron annihilation cannot occur is wrong. The relevant literature is easy to find. $\endgroup$
    – rob
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    $\begingroup$ @rob Any source for experimental data on no relativistic velocity? $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 31, 2016 at 20:16
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    $\begingroup$ @dmckee Please give sources for change of particle interactions from not fast moving (MeV) particles and pure energy at the next moment. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 31, 2016 at 20:28
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    $\begingroup$ @HolgerFiedler I'll turn your challenge around: you survey the literature and figure out what the energies involved are and where the data are missing. I don't know to what extent antineutrons thermalize before annihilating, so you can't just consider beam energy. $\endgroup$
    – rob
    Commented Aug 31, 2016 at 23:14

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