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Mathematics is exact. It is a beautiful language that allows us to express quantities that aren't possible to be represented physically. We build theoretical models of physical systems that work out great on paper, yet there are cases where we cannot solve these models exactly. We need these tools, such as perturbation theory, to get almost exact answers.

For example, in Quantum Mechanics we use Perturbation Theory to solve the Schrodinger equation for the hydrogen atom.

Shouldn't our theoretical models be refined if they cannot be solved exactly? Let us imagine we needed the exact answer to whatever our problem is; an approximation, no matter how good, just won't do. Shouldn't this be a fundamental rule of accepted theories; it needs to work out exactly?

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  • $\begingroup$ Who can say if the models need refined or our mathematical tools need refined? Most things that cannot be solved exactly may just be that way because our mathematical tools are not yet sophisticated enough to do so. $\endgroup$
    – tpg2114
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    $\begingroup$ And I'm also unclear on what you mean by "Mathematics is exact." I can give you a PDE that is not based on any physical process that is just as unsolvable "exactly" as the Navier-Stokes or Schrodinger equation. $\endgroup$
    – tpg2114
    Commented Dec 1, 2013 at 16:01
  • $\begingroup$ We can solve the hydrogen atom exactly in quantum mechanics. For approximations, if the theoretical uncertainty is smaller than the experimental error bar, the theory is perfectly justified. $\endgroup$
    – user26143
    Commented Dec 1, 2013 at 16:09
  • $\begingroup$ Given the fact that Mathematics only just verified "Fermat's Last Theorem" in the late 90s. I would say there is still a lot left unsolved in math just as much as unsolved in physics. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 1, 2013 at 16:27
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    $\begingroup$ Pretty much everything in the universe is not exactly solvable. That doesn't make it any less real. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 1, 2013 at 22:49

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No.

There is nothing wrong with perturbation theory, or with theories with known, restricted accuracy. The point of theory is to explain the results of observation from as simple an initial theoretical standpoint as possible. Therefore:

  1. Since experiment always has a finite uncertainty, one can only ask that theory match the experimental value within its uncertainty range. Exact answers are not very useful in physics, because we know that other, smaller effects will always get in the way before an experiment matches the infinite set of significant figures we can draw out of an 'exact' answer. Ignoring these effects, or trying to minimize them, is very often the best way to hide your head in the sand while some amazing physics walks by.

  2. The point of theory is to make the initial standpoint as simple and understandable as possible, and to try and get some intuition for how that standpoint implies experimental results. It is a fact that most simple models will in general not be solvable. More importantly, it is not a given that the universe is describable by solvable models. We're not out to impose structure on nature, we're out to find the structure that's there. If it turns out it's not an exactly solvable model, then that's the way it is.

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  • $\begingroup$ It's amazing how people can be happy with an unsolvable model. It reminds me of the people happy with the sun revolving around the earth. "It is just the universe we live in", "it does not have to be more mathematically simplified", "the planets just wander it is what they do". $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 1, 2013 at 17:46
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    $\begingroup$ @LukeBurgess, that's an odd comment indeed. One should be happy that an imperfect, approximate model gives good agreement with reality (there would be no engineering profession otherwise and we'd have missed out on a lot of amazing technology) while, at the same time, happily going about looking for clues pointing towards a better model still (and so on...). $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 1, 2013 at 17:54
  • $\begingroup$ Unsolvable models, as in we-can't-say-anything-about-it models, will make anyone unhappy. Models where you can give experimental predictions to arbitrary precision, which have clear physical meaning at every stage, and which derive from fairly simple postulates, whose only fault is being sophisticated enough to not have a one-liner final, analytical, elementary result - those I find it amazing that people would be unhappy with. $\endgroup$ Commented Dec 1, 2013 at 17:55
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There will always be solutions that can't be analytical. For example, any model of more than two bodies without any special constraints, cannot be solved analytically. From the gravitational interactions between three planets to three particles interacting (electromagnetically or otherwise) in quantum theory. To have mathematically analytical solutions, certain simple constraints need to be applied, regardless of the system you are modeling. This is why physical theories or analysis (calculus) in general are taught using simple models. Spherical, cubic, or cylindrical models, generally with two bodies, or otherwise special coordinate constraints are placed on larger numbers of bodies.

Some problems, whether higher degree polynominals, certain integrals, or many differential equations simply lack a closed mathematical expression to solve them. This is when numerics steps in (pun intended). Numerics is a huge branch of mathematics that finds solutions to problems through approximating them. How exact you want to approximate it is up to you (check out the Newtonian approximation to solve x-intercepts as an example). You can run your algorithm as long as you like, and you can also calculate your error and even prove that it converges to zero. If anything, this is more like the real world. If you repeat an experiment over and over, even trying to repeat it exactly, you will usually get slightly different values. You need to calculate your errors and see if these measurements fall within your values given by your theoretical model.

Now interestingly enough there exists a hybrid of the two systems. Finding an approximation of a problem that is an analytical function. This covers perturbation theory. One good example of this is the nuclear shell model. To reproduce the "magic numbers" a couple of analytical functions were combined that gave good results. Take a look at the deformed harmonic oscillator model (Woods-Saxon is interesting also).

Are these models flawed or wrong because they are approximated? No, they give the results needed for calculations, within a tolerance that can be calculated. They are no more wrong than Newtonian mechanics is for a slow body moving in a flat space-time.

To conclude, there will always be problems that cannot be solved analytically, a proof can even be offered to argue that for many of them, and there will be some surprises occasionally (a new analytical solution to a given problem when only some very special constraints are applied), but in the end we have to accept that the universe isn't a perfect sphere, in a vacuum, with only two bodies in it to calculate, and that a constraint free many-body problem will always have to be solved numerically.

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  • $\begingroup$ Another example of a pure math problem (which of course is used all the time in physics) that is not analytically solvable -- there exists no closed form solution for eigenvalues when there are 5 or more of them. Iterative approximation methods are the only way to get them. $\endgroup$
    – tpg2114
    Commented Dec 1, 2013 at 19:06

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