# Having trouble understanding the work-energy principle intuitively

I'm having trouble understanding the work energy principle intuitively.

This is what I'm solid on so far:

If you have a ball rolling down a hill, it loses potential energy and gains kinetic energy. What's happening here is that the potential energy is being transferred to kinetic energy, right?

This can be summarised as -∆PE=∆KE or at any point KE+PE=constant, correct?

I'm fine when just kinetic energy and gravity are involved, but I get a bit confused when other forces come into play.

Now say that there's a frictional force opposing the ball. This frictional force is acting against gravity so am I right in saying that the gravitational potential energy lost is equal to the kinetic energy gained minus the work done by the force i.e. ∆PE=∆KE-Fs?

I've been given the formula: work done by other forces = ∆KE±∆PE but I don't have an intuitive understanding of it, I want to know why it works!

I never particularly liked the textbook description of this topic.

The key concept is that there's a quantity called "energy" that we've decided is useful and can't be created or destroyed$^1$, it can just change "types". This is useful because if you choose a system you want to study carefully, you can learn a lot about its behavior from energetic considerations.

Broadly speaking, there are two types of forces, conservative and non-conservative forces. A conservative force is one for which a potential can be defined, and with that potential comes an associated potential energy. For instance, for gravity I can define a potential:

$V(\vec{r}) = -\frac{GM}{||\vec{r}||}$

And there's an associated potential energy:

$U(\vec{r}) = -\frac{GMm}{r} + U_0$

So gravity is a conservative force. The abstraction is that by lifting an object in the gravitational field, I do work and store energy in the field. The field can later release the energy, and no energy is "lost".

Friction is really complicated. It can be, and is, modelled simply, but the process at a microscopic level involves rapidly created and destroyed chemical and/or physical bonds and is not fully understood. When work is done involving friction, we decide not to describe this as energy being stored in some sort of "friction field" (we would need to define a friction potential, and there's no obvious way to do this). Instead, we describe the process by saying that the energy is dissipated by friction, lost as vibration or heat (note that these are both a type of kinetic energy - heat is just a description of the average motions of a collection of particles). The important difference as compared to a conservative force is that heat, for instance, cannot be released from a surface to make a block slide faster. The energy dissipated into heat is "lost" from the system of a block sliding on a rough surface.

With all that in mind, tackling energy conservation problems just takes a bit of practice. My advice would be to forget about the formulae a little bit. Instead, look at the system you're considering and try and account for all the relevant forms of energy, and all possible exchanges/transformations between types of energy. The big "trick" is to define the extent of your system carefully. Students I've taught seem eager to add a thermal energy term to their analysis of problems involving friction, but this is often not a useful exercise. If it's sufficient to know that some energy was dissipated away as heat, you can just include a term in the math that expresses that the system lost, for example, $\mu_kN\Delta x$ of energy.

If I had to break it down into steps, I'd say:

1) Pick the initial state of your system, tally up any potential and kinetic energy.

2) Pick the final state of your system, tally up any potential and kinetic energy.

3) Go through the processes that occur between the initial and final state. Do any of them dissipate energy from the system? Or inject energy?

4) Add everything up (being careful about the sign of each term). Any difference between the initial and final energy of the system should be accounted for by energy injected into or dissipated out of the system in between.

$^1$ At least in simple physics... you can formulate theories/models where energy is created/destroyed, but this is only done if there is some advantage to doing so.

• Oh wow that's a really great explanation! Exactly what I was after. Just a small question - in step 4 when you say to be careful about the sign of terms, what defines the sign? For example, in this question cl.ly/image/3H28063g2m1u the mark scheme says the total change in energy is the POSITIVE change in KE plus the change in PE, even though there is a loss in kinetic energy. This seems odd to me...
– Theo
Jun 20, 2013 at 16:30
• The sign of potential energy in particular can be kind of confusing since it's often defined as negative (when considered alone). I'd write something like: (initial_energy_stored_in_potentials)+(initial_kinetic_energy)-(energy_dissipated)+(energy_injected)=(final_energy_stored_in_potentials)+(final_kinetic_energy)... all those quantities are POSITIVE (you could add absolute value bars to them if you wanted). Written that way it illustrates that you take all the initial energy, see how much is gained/lost, and it gives the final energy. Jun 20, 2013 at 16:35
• As for the problem you linked... should work to just figure out the intial energy and the final energy then take the difference (final-initial). If that doesn't match the solution, something has gone wrong. Jun 20, 2013 at 16:42
• That formula has just clarified everything to a huge extent! I wish it had been taught to me like that initially. Thank you.
– Theo
Jun 20, 2013 at 16:50
• Glad to help :) Jun 20, 2013 at 16:55

first of all you should understand that energy is a number we calculate and then we let nature do her tricks .after this we calculate this number again and find that it is the same number.in case of gravity we can extract the energy back from the gravitational field.but in case of friction this is not possible .energy is lost in increasing the random motion of atoms. PE is only used for those forces for which we can extract the energy back .friction does not fall into this category.

I prefer this formula for energy conservation: $$\Delta K +\Delta U = W$$ $$\Delta K = K_2 - K_1$$ $$\Delta U = U_2 - U_1$$ $$W_{\mathrm{friction}} = -F_{\mathrm{friction}}\cdot \Delta s$$

$K_1$ and $U_1$ are the kinetic and potential energies at starting point, and $K_2$ and $U_2$ are the kinetic and potential energies at the end point.

For calculating the $U$ origin of coordinate system is the lowest left point so all coordinates are positive.

Those are tricks but they work. Its basically same if you put starting point at left side and end point at right side.

P.s thanks for edit

• Hi and welcome to the Physics SE! The equations become much more readable with mathjax. It'd be great if you could use it in your next posts. I edited this post, also adopting a more standard notation for the potential energy. Please feel free to correct any mis-edit. Nov 28, 2017 at 13:06