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In Quantum Mechanics, 2nd Edition by Davies & Betts on page 78 it states that there is a symmetry implied by the following Hermitian operator equation:

$${\displaystyle \int \phi^{*}(A \psi)d \,\tau} = {\displaystyle \int \psi(A \phi)^{*}d \,\tau} \tag{1}$$

in the way the Hermitian operator $A$ acts. It may either be regarded as acting forwards on $\psi$ or, complex conjugated backwards on $\phi$. This means:

$$\langle\phi A|\psi\rangle=\langle\phi|A\psi\rangle\tag{2}$$

so one usually writes both equivalent expressions in symmetric form:

$$\langle\phi| A|\psi\rangle\tag{3}$$

Does anyone know of a proof of this derivation (it looks odd as (1) swaps the order of the $\phi$ and $\psi$ functions, and has the operator $A$ applied to its right, but (2) does not).

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    $\begingroup$ I'm not sure but i think what is implied is that $A$ is Hermitian and in that case I would rather write the LHS of $(2)$ as $\langle A\phi|\psi\rangle$. (This would also remove your confusion) $\endgroup$
    – NDewolf
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    $\begingroup$ It has always been my understanding that whatever you put inside the bra or ket is just a label (i.e. subjective choice of notation). So as long as you know what you mean by your notation, you should be good to go. I am not sure there really is a "proof". $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 16, 2020 at 14:36
  • $\begingroup$ @NDewolf & Aaron Stevens : I just read that ϕA can be represented with matrices with A operating on the left with ϕ conjugated. Its strange that equation (1) doesn't look like this form. If the book means ⟨Aϕ|ψ⟩ then its clear except for the matrix interpretation just described ? $\endgroup$
    – user248988
    Commented Mar 16, 2020 at 15:23
  • $\begingroup$ Possible duplicates: physics.stackexchange.com/q/43069/2451 , physics.stackexchange.com/q/502606/2451 and links therein. $\endgroup$
    – Qmechanic
    Commented Mar 16, 2020 at 18:10
  • $\begingroup$ @All - thanks. Does anyone know of a good text that clearly explains the Dirac notation, and its links to left / right operations and associated dual spaces ? $\endgroup$
    – user248988
    Commented Mar 17, 2020 at 12:38

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I will neglect all rigorous description and just provide the usual physics arguments. Let $A$ be a quantum operator and $\psi,\phi$ arbitrary wave functions. Then using the inner product of the underlying Hilbert space $H$ we can write

$$\langle \psi|A\phi\rangle = \int \psi^\star(x)A\phi(x)dx.$$

By definition the adjoint of $A$ is defined by $\langle \psi|A\phi \rangle = \langle A^\dagger \psi|\phi\rangle$. If $A$ is self-adjoint (symmetric) then $\langle \psi|A\phi \rangle = \langle A \psi |\phi \rangle$ for all $\psi,\phi \in H$. So equation (2) seems bad to me. However, I can also show for you that an extra bar does in matter in Dirac notation, i.e. : $\langle \psi|A\phi \rangle = \langle \psi|A|\phi \rangle.$ This means that so far I worked in $x$-representation (and $A$ should be $A_x$ in the previous part to be precise) and now I will move to abstract notation. The idea is as follows using the resolution of the identity:

$$\langle \psi|A|\phi \rangle = \int \langle \psi|x\rangle \langle x|A|\phi \rangle dx = \int \psi^\star(x) A_x \phi(x)dx \equiv \langle \psi|A\phi \rangle,$$

where $A_x$ is the $x$-representation of $A$.

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The notation here seems to have gone seriously awry. As taught to me at Cambridge by the students of Dirac, kets are vectors and bras are vectors in the dual space. I have never seen anyone write an operator inside a ket or a bra. That would not make sense as the symbol inside the ket is a label not a vector. E.g. one writes $|p\rangle$ for a momentum ket or $|x\rangle$ for a position ket.

Whether Hermitian or not the operator can always be seen as acting both ways, as one has $$ (\langle g| A )|f\rangle = \langle g|( A |f\rangle) =\langle g| A |f\rangle.$$ so that the round brackets can always be omitted. The Hermitian conjugate is defined such that $A^\dagger|g\rangle$ is the ket corresponding to $\langle g|A$, so there isn't really anything to derive here, beyond the fact that the integral defines an inner product.

If you were using algebraic notation you would write, for a Hermitian operator $$ (A\psi,\phi) = (\psi,A\phi) $$ and again there would be nothing to prove, but it does not pay to conflate the algebraic notation with ket notation, which has very real advantages when correctly used.

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  • $\begingroup$ * I have never seen anyone write an operator inside a ket or a bra.* I have seen it, but I can't remember where. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 16, 2020 at 22:26
  • $\begingroup$ tbh, if I did see it, I would immediately ignore that author, so I probably wouldn't remember either. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 16, 2020 at 22:58
  • $\begingroup$ I don't see the issue, since what you put inside the ket is just a label. If we want to denote the state $A|\psi\rangle$ as $|A\psi\rangle$ and this is stated up front, then it seems fine to me. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 16, 2020 at 23:05
  • $\begingroup$ You're probably right, but then it is an ad hoc definition, not a step in an argument, or a part of the formal structure of operators on Hilbert space. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 16, 2020 at 23:36
  • $\begingroup$ Right. That's what my comment on the main post was trying to get at essentially. $\endgroup$ Commented Mar 16, 2020 at 23:38

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