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In GR, coordinate are just a tool for us to describe the physics, they should be equivalent. However, in standard form of FLRW metric, it can be inferred that the universe is expanding, but we can do a coordinate transformation to make the spatial part static or changing in a different way with respect to time. Is there a notion of expanding universe which does not depend on coordinates?

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    $\begingroup$ I'm afraid it isn't clear to me what you mean. Can you rephrase your question in a more mathematical way to clarify exactly what you're asking? Are you comparing the different interpretations of the expansion given by comoving coordinates and "everyday" coordinates? $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 25, 2015 at 16:37
  • $\begingroup$ What do you mean by "why we on Earth only confirm the standard coordinates used in FLRW metric through our observation"? Which observations are you talking about? In both special and general relativity, all coordinate systems predict the same things about local physical observations, like the proper time on an observer's clock at the moment they receive light from various distant events. $\endgroup$
    – Hypnosifl
    Commented Jan 25, 2015 at 16:39
  • $\begingroup$ what I mean is the fact that universe is expanding as we observed is only predicted by the FLRW metric in certain special coordinates. If I do a coordinate transformation, the space could be static. Does that mean we are in a special frame? $\endgroup$
    – Shadumu
    Commented Jan 25, 2015 at 17:16
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    $\begingroup$ @user3229471: You should edit your comment into the post. $\endgroup$
    – Kyle Kanos
    Commented Jan 25, 2015 at 17:25
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    $\begingroup$ Am I the only one who finds this question perfectly clear? The answer I was going (actually started) to write would have shown how cosmological time and proper distance along associated spatial slicings are special and why FLRW spacetime is not Minkowski space, even though conformal time and comoving coordinates make it look that way $\endgroup$
    – Christoph
    Commented Jan 25, 2015 at 23:22

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The standard coordinate system is the mathematically simplest, but I don't think it's actually the most physically intuitive. This is because we live on objects that are gravitationally bound, and admist objects that are electromagnetically defined. This means that our local length scales are not affected by cosmological expansion. But, if you look at the FRLW metric, in its standard form (I choose the flat cosmology for simplicity):

$$ds^{2} = - dt^{2} + a(t)^{2}\left(dr^{2} + r^{2}d\theta^{2} + r^{2}\sin^{2}\theta d\phi^{2}\right)$$

you can tell that, for some constant-t observer, the ruler actually expands with time by a factor $a$. For this reason, when describing cosmological observations, I actually like to use a different coordinate system, where you replace $r$ with $R = a(t)r$. Then, you have $dR = {\dot a}r\,dt + a\,dr \rightarrow dr =dR- H (R/a)\,dt$, and the metric becomes (note that I used the relation $H = \frac{\dot a}{a}$, to replace $a$ with Hubble's "constant"):

$$ds^{2} = -\left(1-H^{2}R^{2}\right)dt^{2} + 2dR\,dt\left(-HR\right) + dR^{2} + R^{2}d\theta^{2} + R^{2}\sin^{2}\theta d\phi^{2}$$

In terms of direct physics, this coordinate system is a lot clearer. You see that, for a constant-t observer, there is a coordinate singularity at $R = \frac{1}{H}$, corresponding to the cosmological horizon. Furthermore, this coordinate system has a $g_{tr}$ coordinate, which, it can be shown, corresponds to the frame dragging of the system -- so space naturally expands away at a velocity proportional to $HR$, which gives you Hubble's law.

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  • $\begingroup$ But note that all coordinate systems are equal, at base. This is just a different way to look at the physics of this coordinate system. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 18:18
  • $\begingroup$ you've missed some substitutions $r\to R$... $\endgroup$
    – Christoph
    Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 18:28
  • $\begingroup$ It could be that in some coordinates the universe appears not to be expanding as a(t). Though all the physics being unchanged, how we interpret them will depend on coordinates. Is there a notion of expanding universe which does not depend on coordinates? $\endgroup$
    – Shadumu
    Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 19:45
  • $\begingroup$ @user3229471: you have to talk about what measurement you're making, at the end of the day. What I did here was take the dynamics out of the $r$ coordinate, and put them in the $t$ coordinate. In the ADM language, all of the physics in this version of the FRLW metric lives in the lapse and shift. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 19:58
  • $\begingroup$ @Christoph: fixed. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 19:59
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Comments to the question (v3):

  1. It is true that there exists a huge freedom to choose local coordinates in GR, but it is not possible to alter the metric tensor $g_{\mu\nu} dx^{\mu}dx^{\nu}$ (when we include the basis elements $dx^{\mu}$ and $dx^{\nu}$).

  2. Given an arbitrary but single fixed spacetime point $p$, there exist Riemann normal coordinates.

  3. We cannot get the metric components $g_{\mu\nu}$ on an arbitrary prescribed symmetric form (with Minkowski signature) in an open neighborhood, no matter how small. It is not a free lunch!

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All coordinate systems are equal, but some systems are more equal than others ;)

In case of Friedmann universes, there's a distinguished set of coordinates that corresponds to a family of freely-falling observers which see the universe as isotropic and chosen so that matter is distributed homogeneously within a spatial slice at constant time.

Furthermore, we could choose our coordinates so that the time-like coordinate agrees with proper time of our observers and the space-like coordinates agree with proper distance within a spatial slice.

This is just one possible choice among many: For example, observers in relative motion would not see the universe as isotropic, and their description of the matter distribution would be as valid as the one we chose - just less convenient.

Even if we keep our set of observers, we're free to scale our coordinates as we see fit. For example, using conformal time and comoving coordinates makes FLRW spacetime look deceptively like Minkoswki space with a static matter distribution:

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Note how the yellow light rays are given by straight lines and that galaxies would sit at a fixed comoving distance.

This, however, is misleading, the same way that doing a logarithmic plot does not change the underlying function. Note that whatever the coordinates, the math will of course still work out thanks to the magic of tensor calculus: spacetime will remain curved, proper distance within spatial slices will increase and light will experience redshift.

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  • $\begingroup$ i think the distance within spatial slice at some constant time is not the same in different coordinates, just like length contraction. Hence, in some coordinates, the universe could be not expanding as a(t), is there a notion of expanding universe independent of coordinates. $\endgroup$
    – Shadumu
    Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 19:42
  • $\begingroup$ @user3229471: the distance within a spatial slice is well-defined; length-contraction is only possible because observers in relative motion do not agree on spatial slicing... $\endgroup$
    – Christoph
    Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 19:56
  • $\begingroup$ the distance within a spatial slice is not the proper distance. it clearly varies in different coordinates $\endgroup$
    – Shadumu
    Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 19:59
  • $\begingroup$ @user3229471: it will not vary between coordinates that agree on spatial slicing $\endgroup$
    – Christoph
    Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 20:09
  • $\begingroup$ spatial slicing means the spatial part of the metric at some constant time right? then if in two coordinates the time part in the metric is different, when we calculate the distances between two stars (set dt=0), we will get different results. $\endgroup$
    – Shadumu
    Commented Jan 26, 2015 at 20:19

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