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Do partial derivation respect to velocity and total derivation respect to time commute? [duplicate]

Imagine we have a function of position $x^i$ and velocity $v^i$ $f(x,v)$. Position and velocity are both functions of time $t$. If the function doesn't depend explicitely on time, then we have the ...
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Total time derivatives and partial coordinate derivatives in classical mechanics

This may be more of a math question, but I am trying to prove that for a function $f(q,\dot{q},t)$ $$\frac{d}{dt}\frac{∂f}{∂\dot{q}}=\frac{∂}{∂\dot{q}}\frac{df}{dt}−\frac{∂f}{∂q}.\tag{1}$$ As part of ...
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Time derivative of the Lagrangian

I have the time derivative of the lagrangian: $$\frac{\mathrm d \mathcal L}{\mathrm d t}=\sum_i\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal L}{\partial q_i}\frac{\mathrm d q_i}{\mathrm d t}+\frac{\partial \mathcal ...
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What is the meaning of $d$? [duplicate]

What is the meaning of $d$? Is is Delta? If it is Delta, why is it then not $\Delta$? I am still confused with that. Can someone help explain it to me?
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Hamiltonian time-independent, partial derivative always zero?

For conceptual simplicity, let's restrict the discussion to systems with a two-dimensional phase space $\mathcal P$ with generalized coordinates $(q,p)$. Hamiltonian is a function that maps a pair ...
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When can one omit a total time derivative in the Lagrangian formulation?

I am studying Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics and i am using Landau & Lifshitz and Goldstein books. Both of them state that a modified lagrangian $$L'=L+\frac{df}{dt}$$ gives the same ...
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Full time-derivative, Poisson brackets and Hamilton's equations (classical mechanics)

While studying Poisson brackets in classical mechanics and the derivation of $\dot{q_j}=\{q_j,H\}$ and $\dot{p_j}=\{p_j,H\}$ form of Hamilton's equations I encountered a surpsing identity, which led ...
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When does the total time derivative of the Hamiltonian equal its partial time derivative?

When does the total time derivative of the Hamiltonian equal the partial time derivative of the Hamiltonian? In symbols, when does $\frac{dH}{dt} = \frac{\partial H}{\partial t}$ hold? In Thornton &...
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