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Suppose that a system is described by a probability density $\rho$ on the state space $S$. Of course we need to assume some additional structure on $S$ to define the gradient $\nabla\rho$. I am actually considering the simple case $S=\mathbb R$ such that $\nabla\rho$ is simply the derivative of $\rho$.

That being said, there seems to exist the following heuristic: If the system is prepared in the state $x\in S$, then the system is most likely moving in the direction of fastest increase of $\rho$, i.e. in the direction of $\nabla\rho(x)$ or $-\nabla\rho(x)$, depending on your convention. In particular, $\nabla\rho$ contains information about the most likely trajectories.

  • Is there some sort of intuitive argument for this behaviour?
  • Are there any examples where this method is applied? For example, what about the pathwise approach to metastability?
  • Is my question related to probability currents discussed in QM?
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  • $\begingroup$ The statement is wrong. Consider harmonic oscillator in ground state. S being R $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 24 at 8:49
  • $\begingroup$ @Confuse-ray30 Do you mean the quantum harmonic oscillator? Can you please elaborate? $\endgroup$
    – Filippo
    Commented Aug 24 at 8:51
  • $\begingroup$ The ground state is a gaussian (centered around the minimum). The squared is thus also a gaussian. In particular, it does not evolve in time. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 24 at 9:15
  • $\begingroup$ @Confuse-ray30 Thanks for the reminder! Okay, but how does this contradict the title? Based on the heuristic, I would expect that if I start the system away from the origin, it initially moves towards the origin. And that is precisely what happens, isn't it? $\endgroup$
    – Filippo
    Commented Aug 24 at 9:28
  • $\begingroup$ That's not what you said. You claim: " If the system is prepared in the state x∈S, then ∇ρ(x) is the direction in which the system is most likely moving". I.e. see my answer soon TM $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 24 at 9:35

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The hypothesis is false. In some sense, in the case of a stationary probability density, things may go the other way around. Indeed, let's assume that we have a probability density $\rho(x)$ and that the values of $\rho$ at two neighbor points $x_1$ and $x_2$ are such that. $$ \rho(x_1)> \rho(x_2). $$ This condition implies that, on average, more representative points are in a region $dx$ around $x_1$ than around $x_2$. We can define a probability of transition from $x_1$ to $x_2$ as $\pi(x_1,x_2)$, and, symmetrically, from $x_2$ to $x_1$ as $\pi(x_2,x_1)$. Such transition probability contains the information about where a system is most likely moving. Now, a sufficient condition for a stationary $\rho$ is the so-called detailed balance, i.e., on average, the same number of systems go from $x_1$ to $x_2$ as from $x_2$ to $x_1$. But this implies $$ \rho(x_1)\pi(x_1,x_2) = \rho(x_2)\pi(x_2,x_1), $$ from where do we obtain $$ \frac{\pi(x_1,x_2)}{\pi(x_2,x_1)} = \frac{\rho(x_2)}{\rho(x_1)} $$ This is saying the opposite of the proposed hypothesis: the transition probability from a low to a higher probability region is higher than from high to low.

Notice that this is a counterexample. The detailed balance is not a necessary hypothesis.

Finally, the current probability in Quantum Mechanics cannot be expressed in terms of the gradient of the probability density.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you for your answer. I think that there was a misunderstanding: My convention is that the gradient points in the direction of fastest increase, so you actually proved my point. Sorry for the confusion. $\endgroup$
    – Filippo
    Commented Aug 24 at 11:36
  • $\begingroup$ @Filippo, maybe you missed the final notice. The detailed balance is just a sufficient t hypothesis. It can be used as a counter-example but does not prove that the transition probability from low to high probability density must always be higher than the reversed one. $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 24 at 13:55
  • $\begingroup$ I read your final notice, but I asked for examples where my principle holds true and you gave me a nice example: One-dimensional nearest-neighbour random walks. In fact, the setup that I am considering is very similar, so you helped me more than you can possibly imagine. Thank you! $\endgroup$
    – Filippo
    Commented Aug 24 at 19:13
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Now that I am home, here is the general answer.

Your claim is, as far as I understood: Probability densities relax to a constant. Like Fick's law.

This means $\partial_t \rho \propto -\nabla \rho$.

My claim is: Let $S$ be unbounded. Then this is never true.

Proof: Suppose this is true. Then the steady state is given by $\nabla\rho=0$. This implies $\rho=|\psi(x)|^2=const$. Since $S$ is unbounded, the state is thus not in $L^2$, i.e. not normalizable. Thus it is unphysical.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thank you very much for taking the time to write a full answer. I need some time to digest it. $\endgroup$
    – Filippo
    Commented Aug 24 at 10:11
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    $\begingroup$ @Filippo I seem to have misunderstood/misinterpreted your question just as Giorgio did, as my sign is wrong. But nonetheless, even with a positive sign in front of the gradient, it leads to unphysical states. (Or there simply may never be a stable state.) $\endgroup$ Commented Aug 24 at 10:30

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