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When a thermodynamic system, like an ideal gas within a piston immersed in a heat bath, is subject to changes, such as compression or extension of the piston, then the work that can be extracted from this process is maximal if the process is carried out quasi-statically, that is, at each step of the expansion the gas is allowed to relax to equilibrium.

Why is the relaxation to equilibrium at each step related to more efficient energy extraction (or reversibility) ?

Here is another way to ask. If I make a large change for the piston, I imagine there will be an abrupt relaxation to equilibrium and this will be related to large dissipation. But If I make many quasi-static changes, then at each change the dissipation should be small, such that at the end more energy is extracted. But the problem is that I do not see any physical picture or equation why the sum of the very small amounts of dissipated energies during the sequence of quasi-static changes should be smaller than the amount of dissipated energy during the one abrupt change.

The difference between my question and similar available questions such this one, Is there a quasistatic process that is not reversible? , is that I insist on pictorial or physical answers of the questions.

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    $\begingroup$ Does this answer your question? Is there a quasistatic process that is not reversible? A search on this site for quasistatic reversible yields many discussions on this topic. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2023 at 13:38
  • $\begingroup$ I have edited the question to insist on the difference compared to your link. I could not find precise answers in the link. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 18, 2023 at 7:17

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A system undergoing a reversible expansion process produces more work than an irreversible expansion process because less heat is rendered unavailable for producing work for the reversible process.

Consider a reversible vs irreversible expansion of an ideal gas in a vertically oriented cylinder fitted with a frictionless piston in a constant temperature environment. On top of the piston is a bag of sand. Initially the internal and external pressures are the same, i.e., $P_{gas}=P_{ext}$.

As an example, first consider reducing the external pressure infinitely slowly (quasi statically) by removing one grain of sand at a time, so that the gas pressure never varies significantly from the external pressure. With each removal of grain of sand the infinitesimal decrease in external gas pressure results in an infinitesimal expansion (infinitesimal amount of work) and an infinitesimal decrease in temperature. This results in an infinitesimal transfer of heat from the surroundings to the gas restoring its temperature to the initial temperature (temperature of the surroundings). The process is continued until the entire bag of sand is removed and the pressure becomes atmospheric. The result is a reversible isothermal (constant temperature) expansion. A PV diagram of the process is shown in FIG 1 below. The area under the curve is the net work done by the gas.

Now consider instead of removing one grain of sand at a time, the entire bag of sand is abruptly removed so that the external pressure quickly (non quasi-statically) drops. As in the first case, the external temperature is constant. A PV diagram of the process is shown in FIG 2. The abrupt decrease in external pressure does not permit enough time for heat to transfer to the gas and perform work. This is a lost opportunity to perform work. After the abrupt decrease in external pressure the gas expands irreversibly doing work until the gas pressure comes back into equilibrium with the constant external pressure. As shown in FIG 2 less work is done.

Hope this helps.

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  • $\begingroup$ This helps and reminds me of my physics courses but I am still confused. Maybe the problem is that I can not take concrete examples because most real-world thermodynamic processes, such operation of combustion engines, do not occur quasi-statically. Can you think of any industrial process that is operated quasi-statically in practice to maximize work extraction or efficiency ? $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2023 at 16:49
  • $\begingroup$ @YoussefMabrouk In reality no reversible processes exist because all real processes involve some friction and are driven by disequilibrium which by definition is non quasi static. What's more, the closer you get to reversible the longer it takes to complete the process until it becomes so slow as to be impracticable. Missing from the Figures is a time axis. The process in FIG 1 takes forever whereas the process is FIG 2 occurs quickly. $\endgroup$
    – Bob D
    Commented Jul 6, 2023 at 17:11
  • $\begingroup$ So while FIG 1 produces more work than FIG 2, the rate at which work is done (power) in FIG 1 approaches zero. $\endgroup$
    – Bob D
    Commented Jul 6, 2023 at 17:13
  • $\begingroup$ Could it be that for an industrial process where high power is not required and energy efficiency is more important that one tries to operate the process quasi-statically ? If yes, this would be very helpful for my understanding. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2023 at 17:20
  • $\begingroup$ @YoussefMabrouk I am not aware of any such industrial processes. $\endgroup$
    – Bob D
    Commented Jul 6, 2023 at 17:30
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Your excellent "concerned" comment to @Themis makes me write this but it is too long for a comment itself. You wrote:

If I make a large change for the piston, I imagine there will be an abrupt relaxation to equilibrium and this will be related to large dissipation. But If I make many quasi-static changes, then at each change the dissipation should be small, such that at the end more energy is extracted. But the problem is that I do not see any physical picture or equation why the sum of the very small amounts of dissipated energies during the sequence of quasi-static changes should be smaller than the amount of dissipated energy during the one abrupt change.

Now in your original question you have asked why the work is maximal for a reversible process. Stated more precisely: why the work done between two equilibrium states is maximal for an adiabatic reversible process connecting those states. Sears and Kestin showed that when phrased this way the statement is essentially equivalent to the various formulations of the 2nd law of thermodynamics by Carnot, Kelvin, Clausius, Caratheodory, etc. You can find very readable descriptions of this view of the 2nd law in Pau-Chang Lu:"Didactic remarks on the Sears-Kestin statement of the second law of thermodynamics," https://doi.org/10.1119/1.13048, and in Zemansky:"Kelvin and Caratheodory-A Reconciliation", https://doi.org/10.1119/1.1972279

Returning to your question, as a warm-up, remember that there is the number zero, and all positive numbers are larger than zero but none of them is zero, and there is no smallest positive number. Regarding reversible processes, in short, there is no reversible process. This I am stating in the same sense as that there is no smallest positive number. Instead, all processes are irreversible.

If you take two equilibrium states, say $\mathfrak{S_1,S_2}$ whose deformation (mechanical, electrical, magnetic, chemical, etc.) variables are the same, then one is accessible from the other via an adiabatic process, $\mathfrak{S_1} \to_{ad} \mathfrak{S_2}$. The measurable difference between the two states could be the experimental temperature: one is higher than the other, the higher being accessible from the lower one, and not vice versa. This you can take it as an experimental fact (Joule's paddle wheel) and then also as an axiom that can help define what we mean by reversible for this kind of thermodynamic system.

We would like to say that a reversible process is the one for which the work expended in the almost cyclic process $\mathfrak{S_1} \to_{ad} \mathfrak{S_2}$ is the smallest but reversible processes do not exist. Instead we can look for a class of irreversible processes for which the work $\mathcal P_n := \mathfrak{S_1} \to_{ad}^n \mathfrak{S_2}$ is say monotonically decreasing $W[\mathcal P_n] \ge W[\mathcal P_{n+1}]$ and $\lim_{n\to\infty} W[\mathcal P_n] =0$. All the processes of $\mathcal P_n$ are irreversible but in the limit they approach a non-existent reversible process that we can arbitrarily closely approximate but one we cannot reach. That is ok, because we do not have to.

Notice that this way we actually postulate that an adiabatic process can never be cyclic, it can approach, in the limit, a cyclic process but can never reach one. As I have said above those fictitious limit processes are really classes of real processes in a similar sense as one can define generalized functions, ie., distributions, as classes of functions, see George Temple:"The theory of generalized functions", https://doi.org/10.1098/rspa.1955.0042.

Having found the reversible processes that can make adiabatic cycles, we will have also found the isentropic surfaces these cycles are embedded in after which we still have to define non-cyclic reversible processes connecting states with different deformation variables; read Pau-Chang Lu and Zemansky.

What does all this have to do with the approximating processes being quasi-static? That comes in because we are connecting equilibrium states with the minimum of effort, ie., work expended, or, if you wish, with the maximum of "result" that is work gained. In either case, because of the optimality of the ideal process it must also be optimum between the starting point and any equilibrium point along the optimum process. Does such intermediate equilibrium point always exist? It does not have to; instead all we need is that there be equilibrium states of the same experimental temperature and deformation parameters as the ones along the process, and that is enough because the work is defined by the progression of those parameters. We break up the required process into segments whose ends are equilibrium points and in between those neighboring endpoints we approximate the reversible process needed by a class of irreversible processes. Since this class by definition is smaller than the one connecting the initial and final points there is no guarantee, as you have noted in your comment, that the total irreversibility, ie., dissipation is less than the other but both classes are lower bounded by the same smallest expended work that moves from one end to the other. What a quasi-static process, ie., one with many equilibrium states does is to assure us that we can approach, at least in principle, the reversible one if it is possible to approach it at all.

There are several places where all these ideas can fail, for example, we have assumed that any two equilibrium states can be connected by some adiabatic process, this does not have to be true. Also the existence of equilibrium states themselves can be questionable. Common examples for which no reversible processes can be conceived are plastic deformation and ferromagnetic hysteresis, or @AndrewSteane's toothpaste. Even if thermodynamic states can be defined those are all surrounded by a sea of essential irreversibility. For a hysteretic cyclic process, if it is demanded that the process contain at least two fixed distinct states, $\liminf_{n\to\infty} W[\mathcal P_n] > 0$, always.

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Relaxation to equilibrium means that there are no gradients of $T$, $P$ or $\mu$. On their own gradients produce "accelerations" whose energy is dissipated into the form higher entropy. To maximize work we must convert gradients to useful work completely, meaning, there are no gradients left, hence the process is reversible. We do this by opposing the gradient through some machine that is capable of producing useful work.

Here is a mechanical analogy: the waterfall. Water falling a distance $h$ has the potential to produce work but only if a wheel is placed in its path. In the absence of a wheel water accelerates and eventually the impact at the bottom of the waterfall converts this energy into internal energy, manifested as a (slight) increase in temperature. The wheel opposes the acceleration of the falling water by converting its energy to mechanical (rotational) energy of the wheel. Any water that is not captured by the wheel will waste the opportunity to produce some additional work.

To obtain the maximum amount of work we need to oppose the acceleration of the falling water completely. This of course is an idealization, because to capture it completely implies that the water impinges on the wheel with zero velocity, which implies that the wheel rotates with zero angular velocity. In practice we understand this as a limit such that the gradient is opposed almost completely, the more the better.

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    $\begingroup$ Here is my concern again for gas in the piston. If I make a large change for the piston, I imagine there will be an abrupt relaxation to equilibrium and this will be related to large dissipation. But If I make many quasi-static changes, then at each change the dissipation should be small, such that at the end more energy is extracted. But the problem is that I do not see any physical picture or equation why the sum of the very small amounts of dissipated energies during the sequence of quasi-static changes should be smaller than the amount of dissipated energy during the one abrupt change. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 6, 2023 at 14:49
  • $\begingroup$ @YoussefMabrouk The piston a bit trickier because in this case there is no dissipation per se, only lost opportunity to produce work. I will think about it and will come back with a comment or an updated answer. Still, if you can convince yourself in the case of the waterfall you should be able to carry the same basic argument to any other process. $\endgroup$
    – Themis
    Commented Jul 6, 2023 at 15:01

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