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Considering the probabilistic relationship between the momentum and position of an electron, are the pictures that show the interaction between electrons and positrons an accurate description of particle motion? We often see visuals that represent the probabilistic nature of particles as probability clouds. How can this converge to well-defined paths? (I never studied this subject, this is just knowledge from general physics books and videos.)

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    $\begingroup$ To say ask if quantum object has a well-defined path is similar to asking if it has a well-defined momentum and position. It has neither. $\endgroup$
    – joseph h
    Commented Jun 16, 2023 at 7:06
  • $\begingroup$ also just by the title you can think how electrons in cyclotrons (in general magnetic fields) can move in well defined path $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 16, 2023 at 7:25
  • $\begingroup$ The "probability cloud" does not represent one quantum. It represents an infinite repetition of the same experiment. That's called a "quantum mechanical ensemble" and it is, in this regard, no different from ordinary probability theory. The individual dots are NOT the same quantum. They are the outcomes of completely independent experiments. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 16, 2023 at 7:27
  • $\begingroup$ @HarshdeepChhabra The motion of charges in a cyclotron is a classical experiment. It does not have the necessary spatial resolution to show quantum properties. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 16, 2023 at 7:29
  • $\begingroup$ @FlatterMann I understand that, that's why I specified that 'just by the title' if you talk about electrons having well defined path in a general way. So classically speaking it can $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 16, 2023 at 7:31

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One has to be grounded that all mathematical theories, both classical and quantum, are used to model the existing experimental data and predict new data.

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Bubble chamber photograph of an electron knocked out of a hydrogen atom

The curly line was produced by an electron that was struck by one $K^-$ of twelve passing beam particles in a liquid hydrogen bubble chamber. It curves in an applied magnetic field and loses energy rapidly, spiraling inwards.

(To see more particle tracks hit on the "would you like to see" of the link.)

The curving electron track can be perfectly described mathematically by a track made by a classical charged particle curving in the field with the correct energy losses through the medium.

You ask for going from the quantum level to the classical:

How can this converge to well-defined paths?

In this particular picture, the quantum mechanical interaction happens at the vertex , when the $K^-$ interacts with a hydrogen atom with enough energy to knock out an energetic electron. All the bubbles of liquid hydrogen that make up the rest of the tracks comes from very low energy loss , each bubble, from the energy of the track, and although it can be modeled , each bubble , quantum mechanically the next bubble is incoherent, so the trace of bubbles tracks the particle through the liquid with classical equations.

So we call them particles and have confirmed the quantum field theory of the standard model of particle physics, because they leave a macroscopic trace as a classical particle in a magnetic field.

If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck it is called a duck.

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By the electron-positron interaction I assume you mean feynman diagrams, which do not tell you the exact displacement/position of the particle so it's not breaking the Heisenberg's Uncertainity Principle. Moreover the those diagrams are considering particle interactions rather than wave interactions. You can find a more elaborate explaination of why Feynman Diagrams are drawn with lines even though particles are thought to be field interaction here

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    $\begingroup$ Feynman diagrams are mostly used in momentum representation, i.e. the arrows stand for integrations over momentum vectors,, not for actual motion in space. The diagrams are deceptive in that way because they suggest physical processes, while in reality they only represent mathematical terms. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 16, 2023 at 7:17
  • $\begingroup$ @FlatterMann Oh alright I'll make that edit. But am I correct about the displacement/position part. Feynman diagrams don't contain information about the position right? $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 16, 2023 at 7:23
  • $\begingroup$ You can calculate Feynman diagrams in any representation as far as I know. It's usually done in momentum space if I remember the QFT books that I looked at correctly, but there is nothing special about that. You are merely one Fourier transformation away from position space. The reason why we prefer to work with momenta is because momentum is a conserved quantity that represents plane waves (beams in an accelerator, if you like). Position is not a preserved quantity. It has far less physical meaning than momentum. $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 16, 2023 at 7:33
  • $\begingroup$ @FlatterMann right makes sense, I don't have enough knowledge of QFT but I get the Fourier Transform part. So would it be true that feynman diagrams give information on particle (of both momentum and space)? since we can just use fourier transform $\endgroup$ Commented Jun 16, 2023 at 7:35
  • $\begingroup$ With pictures, I didn't mean diagrams but actual measurements. Somehow there is a way to trace particle motion. I want to know If this measurement represents a kind of side effect or if it is exactly what is happening. $\endgroup$
    – Candy Hi
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Quantum theory describes systems in terms of observables $\hat{X}$ and states $\rho$. The expectation value $\langle\hat{X}\rangle$ of an observable $\hat{X}$ with possible values $x_1,x_2\dots$ is $\sum_j p_jx_j$ where $p_j$ is the probability of the $j$th outcome. This much is uncontroversial.

There are various explanations of what is happening in reality to produce the results of quantum mechanical experiments and some theories that deny any explanation is needed. These explanations are called interpretations for reasons of history and bad philosophy. Interpretations that deny the need for an explanation include the Copenhagen and statistical interpretations. Since they deny the need for an explanation they have nothing to say about we would see a well-defined path for a particle and I won't discuss them further. Other interpretations modify quantum theory. The pilot wave theory postulates particles that exist in addition to reality described by quantum mechanics. Spontaneous collapse theories postulate that the equations of quantum theory should be modified so that every so often a particle's state changes so that it is approximately in a particular place. The implications of those modifications are a subject of ongoing research and it isn't clear why any modifications of quantum theory are necessary so I won't say anything more about them.

In unmodified quantum theory, systems evolve according to particular equations of motion and to work out what's happening you think about what those equations imply. In general if you have a quantum system with more than one possible value to predict the outcome of an experiment you have to look at how all the possible values evolve because they can interfere with one another. And it is possible to do experiments such as single particle interference experiments whose results can only be explained in this way, see "The Fabric of Reality" by David Deutsch Chapter 2 for a popular science discussion of such experiments. Since explaining the results of experiments in general requires taking into account all of the possible states of a system, in general a quantum system doesn't have a single well-defined trajectory. However, if information about the interfering observable spreads to the outside world to a significant extent this prevents interference among the values of that observable: an effect called decoherence. Observables of different systems that have decohered them have strong correlations between them that persist over time. For example, if you measure a charged particle's interaction with water atoms in vapour, then when the particle interacts with one atom it won't be able to interfere with its other versions in different places and the next interaction will be nearby and gradually a trail will form that looks like a trajectory. If you make records of that track in a photo, then the observables of the photo that show the track will be highly correlated with those that instantiate memories in your brain and other records of the photo and those records will persist over time. In general, there will be multiple versions of those records that don't interfere to a good approximation and act a bit like parallel universes: this is often called the many worlds interpretation, but it's just a consequence of quantum theory:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.00568

https://arxiv.org/abs/0707.2832

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