3
$\begingroup$

First law is conservation of energy. It states whatever energy goes in or comes out of the system must have the same change in internal energy. But shouldn't conservation of energy apply on total energy (i. e,Enthalpy the sum of internal energy and pressure - volume energy.)?

$\endgroup$
  • $\begingroup$ A large fraction of the oddities in the usual presentation can be put down to that presentation being developed to describe steam engines. Those beasts don't work at constant pressure... $\endgroup$ – dmckee Jan 2 '17 at 19:35
2
$\begingroup$

The change in "pressure-volume energy" you're talking about is just the $p\, dV$ work, which is already included in the First Law $dU = dW + dQ$ in the $dW$ term. So the First Law holds true.

If you want, you can work with the enthalpy $H$ instead of the internal energy; all this is doing is effectively moving the $p\, dV$ from the right-hand side of the First Law to the left-hand side, i.e. pulling it from $dW$ into $dH$. Similarly, you can define many alternative thermodynamic potentials that absorb any kinds of work terms you want.

However, these are all less fundamental than the internal energy, and their utility depends on the context. So we prefer to phrase the First Law in terms of just internal energy.

$\endgroup$
  • $\begingroup$ Yes, I would agree with this. Enthalpy is just function that we have defined, and that is convenient to work with is solving many different kinds of problems. If we had never defined the enthalpy function, we could still solve these problems. Internal energy is the more fundamental quantity. $\endgroup$ – Chet Miller Jan 2 '17 at 12:54
  • $\begingroup$ What is the difference between Q and dQ ? How do you define a change in heat? $\endgroup$ – Govind Balaji Jan 2 '17 at 17:09
  • $\begingroup$ @GovindBalaji That's a different question, you should go ask it! $\endgroup$ – knzhou Jan 2 '17 at 17:14

Your Answer

By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.