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Is tides proof of gravitational waves with low frequency?

According to Wikipedia,

In physics, gravitational waves are ripples in the curvature of space-time which propagate as waves, travelling outward from the source. Predicted in 1916 by Albert Einstein on the basis of his theory of general relativity, gravitational waves theoretically transport energy as gravitational radiation.

Edit: Thank you all for your answers and great links. Maybe I have misunderstood gravitational waves. But would not neutron stars or black holes, orbiting each other and pointing the orbit plane to earth cause very very very very small tides?

Then I found this link from wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking So maybe until the hole universe is tidal locked it will expand and then starting to shrink until it just gravitational waves left?

Thanks

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    $\begingroup$ Gravitational waves are not required to produce tides. A wave phenomenon has to be separated by multiple wavelengths from its source and it has to show a well defined dispersion relation before we start talking about "waves" to begin with. In case of the roughly 24h tidal motion the wavelength of the responsible gravitational waves would have to be larger than the solar system, which is clearly not the case. $\endgroup$
    – CuriousOne
    Commented Jan 21, 2016 at 22:55
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    $\begingroup$ Gravitational waves are not the same as static gravitational gradients. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 21, 2016 at 23:13

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No.

Tides are caused by the gradient in the gravitational field. As you get further from the moon, the field drops as $\frac{1}{r^2}$ and the gradient changes as $-\frac{1}{r^3}$. If there is a gradient, then objects closer to the moon will accelerate towards it more rapidly than objects further away from it. The effect of this is nicely illustrated in an earlier answer to a question about tides.

There is no need to invoke (low frequency) gravitational waves to make this description. A static picture works just fine.

With that said - a gravitational wave would give rise to a gradient, which would therefore give rise to "tides". The lower the frequency, the smaller the gradient. In other words - good luck detecting them that way.

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  • $\begingroup$ I am not an mathematician but after allot of googling I think I understand what a gradient are. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradient explains it but I think this is easier to understand: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contour_line#Isopleths. But the maps of gravitational waves will be dynamical. What I mean is that detecting gravitational waves from the Moon and the Sun can be done white your eyes. Low frequency waves from other planets maybe can be detected by GPS satellites when computers compensates for sea leaves cause by winds and currents. Maybe the nine planet can be detected this way. $\endgroup$
    – Ubmeje
    Commented Jan 23, 2016 at 0:32
  • $\begingroup$ Solar System radiates only about 5000 watts in gravitational waves. The dissipation of energy by tidal friction on earth averages about 3.75 terawatts. Tidal is force not radiation. Answer accepted. $\endgroup$
    – Ubmeje
    Commented Jan 23, 2016 at 23:47
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Gravitational waves can be emitted from a rotating object, but the object must not be axisymmetric. For example, a perfect sphere will not radiate gravitational waves, but a sphere with some sort of bulge may.

We can calculate the radiated energy from such a source (see for instance this paper). However, for gravitational waves to have effects on the same scale as tidal forces, the source must be spinning extremely rapidly - which is not the case for the Moon or Sun. Neutron stars that may emit gravitational waves of strengths we can detect spin many orders of magnitude faster than the Moon or Sun do.

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  • $\begingroup$ I am not so good in maths but for photons higher frequency is higher energy. Amplitude is higher closer to the mass? thanx for the link need to readit more. $\endgroup$
    – Ubmeje
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In your edit you write: But would not neutron stars or black holes, orbiting each other and pointing the orbit plane to earth cause very very very very small tides?

My answer only refers to this: In fact, massive binaries are the strongest sources of GW anywhere. Much stronger than pulsars with mountains that are searched for with LIGO. From the period length of binary stars it follows that one has to search at frequencies in the range 0.1 $\mu$Hz to 50 $\mu$Hz.

On Earth, around 13,000 oscillations can be measured in the frequency range 1 $\mu$Hz to around 70 $\mu$Hz. A very strong peak is observed at 22.3643 µHz. At this frequency the moon deforms the earth and the atmosphere (tides). The moon, the sun and the planets generate further, much weaker resonance frequencies, which are precisely known and tabulated in The HW95 tidal potential catalogue, https://publikationen.bibliothek.kit.edu/160395.

In the spectrum of this frequency range (see https://vixra.org/abs/2311.0020) you can find these well-known frequencies and - especially in the lower range between 1 $\mu$Hz and 30 $\mu$Hz - other spectral lines, which are not included in HW 95. The two types differ when one determines and compares the frequency drift over a period of about 20 years. These could be gravitational waves.

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