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How can I determine the components of the velocity field ($V_x, V_y, V_z$) using the components of the electric field $(E_x, E_y, E_z)$ and magnetic field $(B_x, B_y, B_z)$, assuming the ideal magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) equation $$\vec{E} = -\vec{V} \times \vec{B},$$ and the condition $$\vec{E} \cdot \vec{B} = 0.$$ I have attempted to estimate the determinant of this system, but it yields zero. Are there any additional constraints or methods that I may have overlooked?

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  • $\begingroup$ Why do you need the velocity field? Shouldn't that be something given in the initial conditions and you find the time-evolution after? $\endgroup$
    – Kyle Kanos
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 18:16
  • $\begingroup$ Thinking about it some, an extension of my comment is really, "What is it you are actually trying to solve?" Obviously the velocity somehow plays a role in what you're looking for, but I think it'd be useful for a few extra details about the actual goal you've set for yourself. $\endgroup$
    – Kyle Kanos
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 18:32
  • $\begingroup$ I am actually considering experimental data from spacecraft measurements in the solar wind. $\endgroup$
    – Jokerp
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 20:35
  • $\begingroup$ Hmm. Shouldn't velocity/speed and magnetic field be the measured values in such an instrument? I'm familiar with things like Solar Ham that show $B$, $v$, $T$ and $\rho$ measurements. $\endgroup$
    – Kyle Kanos
    Commented May 12, 2023 at 15:25

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Solving the cross product equation is a well known problem. You can prove that if $\mathbf P=\mathbf Q\times \mathbf X$ (and $\mathbf P\cdot \mathbf Q =0)$ for vectors $\mathbf P,\mathbf Q$ and unknown vector $\mathbf X$, then you have that $$\mathbf X=\frac{\mathbf P\times \mathbf Q}{|\mathbf Q|}+k \mathbf Q$$ where $k$ is a scalar that has to be determined from another equation. You are right to have a zero determinant, you can see that the solution above works for any value of $k$.

The equations of ideal magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) are actually more than 2, you are probably missing other common fluid equations like:

  1. the conservation of mass $\partial_t\rho+\nabla\cdot(\rho \mathbf V)=0$
  2. the conservation of momentum $\partial_t (\rho \mathbf V)+\nabla\cdot (\rho \mathbf V \otimes \mathbf V)=-\nabla P +\text{other force terms}$
  3. An equation for the energy or for pressure $P$

You will also need boundary/initial conditions and fluid properties to completely determine your system.

Note also that the equation $\mathbf E\cdot \mathbf B=0$ is not always true in ideal MHD, so you should check the hypotheses you are considering.

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  • $\begingroup$ In this case is there a way to impose a constrain for k through another equation that I am missing? $\endgroup$
    – Jokerp
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 17:03
  • $\begingroup$ @Jokerp yes, this cannot be solved completely using just those two equations. $\endgroup$
    – Mauricio
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 17:04
  • $\begingroup$ Thanks that is good answer. However, I am still missing the other equation i could use. I have upvoted but it's not exactly what I am looking for. Thanks! $\endgroup$
    – Jokerp
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 17:06
  • $\begingroup$ @Jokerp it is up to you to provide more details. What kind of problem are you solving, edit your question to add more context. $\endgroup$
    – Mauricio
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 17:07
  • $\begingroup$ The context is the equations of ideal MHD. You start from Ohm's law and assume infinite conductivity so you get the first equation I wrote int the question. $\endgroup$
    – Jokerp
    Commented May 10, 2023 at 17:12

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