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I'm trying to prove $f^{\mu}U_{\mu}=0$ for four-force $f^{\mu}=c\frac{dP^{\mu}}{ds}$ and four-velocity $U_{\mu}$. I start by using the chain rule, $f^{\mu}=c\frac{dP^{\mu}}{dt}\frac{dt}{ds}=\gamma\frac{dP^{\mu}}{dt}$ since $\frac{dt}{ds}=\frac{\gamma}{c}$. Since four momentum $P^{\mu}=(E/c, \vec{p})$, for energy $E$ and 3-momentum $\vec{F}$. By differetiating with respect to time I find $f^{\mu}=\gamma(0,\vec{F})$ for 3-force $\vec{F}$ in a particular frame. Using the fact that $P^{\mu}=mcU^{\mu}$ I then find $f^{\mu}U_{\mu}=\frac{\gamma}{mc}(0\cdot\frac{E}{c}-\vec{F}\cdot\vec{p})$ which doesnt (necessarily) give zero. Any idea where I've gone wrong here?

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  • $\begingroup$ You need to differential E wrt time too. And your relationship between P and U looks wrong. I'll write an answer. $\endgroup$
    – hft
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 17:46
  • $\begingroup$ *differentiate (not differential) $\endgroup$
    – hft
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 17:54

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I'm trying to prove $f^{\mu}U_{\mu}=0$ for four-force $f^{\mu}=c\frac{dP^{\mu}}{ds}$ and four-velocity $U_{\mu}$. I start by using the chain rule, $f^{\mu}=c\frac{dP^{\mu}}{dt}\frac{dt}{ds}=\gamma\frac{dP^{\mu}}{dt}$ since $\frac{dt}{ds}=\frac{\gamma}{c}$. Since four momentum $P^{\mu}=(E/c, \vec{p})$, for energy $E$ and 3-momentum $\vec{F}$. By differetiating with respect to time I find $f^{\mu}=\gamma(0,\vec{F})$ for 3-force $\vec{F}$ in a particular frame. Using the fact that $P^{\mu}=mcU^{\mu}$ I then find $f^{\mu}U_{\mu}=\frac{\gamma}{mc}(0\cdot\frac{E}{c}-\vec{F}\cdot\vec{p})$ which doesnt (necessarily) give zero. Any idea where I've gone wrong here?

With $$ P^\mu = (E/c, \vec p)\;, $$ you have to also differentiate the energy E with respect to time. (E depends on p so if p changes E changes). You find: $$ \frac{dP^\mu}{dt} = (\frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial E}{\partial \vec p}\cdot \dot{\vec p}, \dot{\vec p})\;. $$

But, by the very definition from Hamiltonian's equations of motion, we also have $$ \vec v = \frac{\partial E}{\partial \vec p}\;. $$

I use the definition: $$ U^\mu = \gamma(c, \vec v) $$

Thus: $$ f^\mu U_\mu \propto (\frac{1}{c}\vec v \cdot \dot{\vec p}, \dot{\vec p}) \cdot {(c, \vec v)}^T $$ $$ =\vec v \cdot \dot{\vec p} - \dot{\vec p}\cdot \vec v = 0 $$

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    $\begingroup$ Oh great, thanks, i was treating E as a constant, foolishly forgot that energy doesn't stay the same if a force is acting on the particle $\endgroup$ Commented May 13, 2022 at 17:55
  • $\begingroup$ Yep, the term $\vec v \cdot \vec F$ gives the change in kinetic energy with time as usual. $\endgroup$
    – hft
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 17:58
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    $\begingroup$ @AdrienAmour if this answers your question, you should use the checkmark to mark the answer as accepted. $\endgroup$
    – hft
    Commented May 13, 2022 at 17:58

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