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First and foremost, Sign Conventions of Thermodynamics(According to me):-

Work done:-
By gas/system $= +$
On gas/system $= -$

Heat:-
Absorbed by gas/system $= +$
Evolved by gas/system $= -$

Internal Energy:-
Increase $= +$
Decrease $= -$


Ok, now, we'll just consider the Work Done By an ideal gas (whose internal energy is purely kinetic and so only depends on temperature) in different thermodynamic processes :-

Assume that the ideal gas is kept in a container with a frictionless piston at the top of the container.

Isothermal Process($\Delta T=0$):-

Heat given to the gas at a certain rate increases it's temperature but the simultaneous work done by the gas during expansion at the same rate decreases it's internal energy and so, it's temperature.

Adiabatic Process($\Delta Q=0$):-

As there is 0 exchange of heat, so the work done by the gas in expanding itself will only decrease it's internal energy and so, again it's temperature.

Isochoric Process(($\Delta V=0$):-

The heat supplied will only increase it's internal energy and so, it's temperature because no change in volume means no work by the gas.

The point to write all of this is to lead to the fact that till now, work done by an ideal gas during expansion is decreasing it's temperature.
But isobaric process is an exception.

Isobaric Process($\Delta P=0$):-

Here, when heat is given to the gas, that heat partly increases it's internal energy and some is used as work by gas for the expansion.

Due to the increase in internal energy, there is increase in the temperature of the gas.

Here's a similar question which tells the same: Contradiction with Isobaric Process

Even the mathematical equations tells the same.

  • $PV=nRT$
  • $W_{isobaric}=P(V_{final}-V_{initial})=nR(T_{final}-T_{initial})$

But, however, I can't get the physics behind it.

See, if the heat given increases the internal energy then it means the random motion of the gas molecules will increase and so the temperature. To reduce the random motion, the molecules will hit the piston moving it up and so the gas expands and does the work. The reduction in random motion means decrease in internal energy and so the decrease in the temperature.

Questions

If I'm wrong then, does it mean the isobaric work by gas in expansion increases the temperature? If yes, why?

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Is that the increase in temp. due to increase in internal energy is more than the fall in temp. due to the work done by the gas that we say that "there is increase in temp. of the gas in an isobaric process"?

If that's the case, then the equations given are not suggesting the same thing (especially the 2nd one)?

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In the isothermal process, the heat Q added (which tends to increase the temperature and internal energy) is exactly cancelled by the work W done by the gas on the surroundings (which tends to decrease the temperature and internal energy), so there is no change in internal energy or temperature of the gas.

In the adiabatic process, there is no heat added. So the work done by the gas on the surroundings decreases the internal energy and temperature of the gas.

In the isochoric process, there is no work done. So the heat added to the gas increases the internal energy and temperature of the gas.

In the isobaric process, the work done by the gas on its surroundings is $W=P(V_f-V_i)=nR(T_f-T_i)$ and the change in internal energy is $\Delta U=nC_v(T_f-T_i)$. So, from the first law of thermodynamics, the heat that must be added is: $$Q=\Delta U+W=nC_v(T_f-T_i)+nR(T_f-T_i)=n(C_v+R)(T_f-T_i)$$

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  • $\begingroup$ Chet...I agree with you entirely. But, why does Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isobaric_process) say that the work done is $n \Delta T (C_p-R)$? $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 13, 2020 at 22:40
  • $\begingroup$ @JoshuaRonis That would be for an adiabatic process (no heat transfer). $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 13, 2020 at 23:48
  • $\begingroup$ I agree...I'm guessing the Wikipedia page is just wrong this time. $\endgroup$ Commented Feb 14, 2020 at 2:54
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"Is that the increase in temp. due to increase in internal energy is more than the fall in temp. due to the work done by the gas […]" This may or may not be the source of your puzzlement. It's certainly an odd, and to my way of thinking, misleading interpretation.

For an ideal gas the temperature is proportional to the mean molecular kinetic energy. Because of the work done by the gas, the internal energy doesn't rise as much as in the isochoric case, therefore the temperature doesn't rise as much. It's not that the work done has a separate effect on the temperature, other than that linked with internal energy, as the sentence I've quoted from your question seems to imply.

In general your question reveals a good understanding of what's going on. Chester Miller's answer summarises the Physics neatly.

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  • $\begingroup$ So, you are saying that isothermal and adiabatic processes gives an illusion that work done by/on gas influences the temp. of gas but, in reality, it just changes the internal energy of the gas and that change in internal energy brings change in the temp., a fact that becomes clear in isochoric process. Am I right? $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 5, 2018 at 12:59
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    $\begingroup$ "So, you are saying that isothermal and adiabatic processes gives an illusion that work done by/on gas influences the temp. of gas." I wouldn't put it like that. There's no illusion. For an ideal gas temperature is proportional to mean molecular KE, and hence, for a fixed amount, $n$, of gas, to internal energy. I don't think it's helpful to think of the relationship between $T$ and $U$ as one of cause and effect; it's closer to one of identity. $\endgroup$ Commented Jul 5, 2018 at 18:39

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