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I'm wondering what's the real difference between symmetry and invariance in Physics? I believe that sometimes the two words are given the same meaning and some other times they are used in a different way.
To me a symmetry is more of a physical property: if you rotate the experiment-table and you get the same results, the system is symmetric with respect to rotations.

While invariance is a mathematical concept, like a gauge transformation.

Is it right to think about it this way? Any insights?

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    $\begingroup$ Nice question, thanks for asking something I had wanted clarification on myself. $\endgroup$
    – user81619
    Commented Aug 28, 2015 at 18:21
  • $\begingroup$ Possible duplicate: physics.stackexchange.com/q/7700/2451 and links therein. $\endgroup$
    – Qmechanic
    Commented Aug 30, 2015 at 13:35

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Both concepts are mathematical in character and they ultimately describe the same characteristics or situations. "Invariance" is a more technical word because it says "what has to be equal to what" for us to say that the symmetry exists.

In particular, the "invariance under a symmetry transformation" means that an object, like the action $S$, has the same value if all the dynamical variables (coordinates, momenta, fields etc.) are transformed according to the symmetry transformation.

The word "invariance" isn't synonymous with "covariance". "Covariance" means that a mathematical object does change but it changes in agreement with the standard rules how a symmetry changes them.

So the Maxwell action is "invariant" under the Lorentz transformations; but the Maxwell's equations are not invariant. Maxwell's equations are formally equations with 4-vectors, if we write them in the relativistic way, and 4-vectors transform as 4-vectors in relativity, "covariantly".

The laws of physics are symmetric under a symmetry group ("group" is the actual technical term in mathematics describing the "type" of a symmetry) if the laws of physics hold if and only if the transformed laws (laws with all the dynamical variables replaced by the transformed ones) hold.

If the laws may be derived from one scalar quantity such as the action $S$, the symmetry of the laws of physics is equivalent to the invariance of this scalar quantity under the transformations.

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Symmetry is governed by differential invariants

According to Cartan, the solution to the symmetry problems for submanifolds is based on the functional interrelationships among the differential invariants restricted to the submanifold. In fact, The symmetry properties of submanifolds under transformation groups is entirely governed by their differential invariants.

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