Questions tagged [identical-particles]

Questions related to the discernibility of many-body systems, its philosophical implications and its mathematical description.

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Distinguishable, indistinguishable paramagnetic ideal gas

In the canonical ensemble, the partition function for an ideal gas is given by: $$\frac{Z}{N!}$$ The factor $N!$ accounts for the indistinguishability of the particles of the ideal gas. What ...
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How to write equation of state in terms of partition function?

While studying quantum gases (fermions, bosons), equation of state written were $PV = k_B T Z_{gr}$, where $Z_{gr}$ is the partition function of grand canonical ensemble. $P$ and $V$ are pressure and ...
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Identical particles: why a symetric or antisymmetric wave function?

I've read in many text books that the indistinguishability of two identical particles at $x$ and $y$ implies: $$|\psi(x,y)|=|\psi(y,x)|\quad (1)$$ This sounds rather natural. Then they say there ...
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What do we mean by “particles” when talking about identical particles in QM?

A molecule of O$_2$ and a molecule of my DNA are not identical. Therefore, some sort of restriction must be placed on the word "particle", but what sort of restrictions and why them, not others? ...
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Finding states of a system of 2 identical bosons (including spin)

I'm trying to find the ground state and first excited state for 2 identical bosons in an infinite square well. I know that both states are degenerate and the spatial and spin parts of the wave ...
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Ground state of three non-interacting fermions at an infinite well

In Zettili's Quantum Mechanics, page 477, he wants to determine the energy and wave function of the ground state of three non-interacting identical spin 1/2 particles confined in a one-dimensional ...
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What experiments have been done on Identical Particles?

Are elementary particles really identical, or do they have hidden state? I have learned / always assumed that any two electrons are identical and interchangeable; the same for any other elementary ...
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Eigenvalues of the exchange operator determined by the particle type (boson or fermion) in a two particle system

While dealing with a two particle system in QM (the particles are identical), the net wave function of the system would be simply the product of the wavefunctions of the individual particles in the ...
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Identical particle exchange as a Yang-Mills theory

I am trying to find a quantum field theory (a Yang-Mills theory) for the identical particles exchange interaction. For a system of $N$ identical particles one has the state $|x_1,x_2,\ldots,x_N\rangle$...
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Is distinguishability based on the empirical fact of the distribution or is the distribution derived from distinguishability?

If two particles are indistinguishable why do we call them two or is indistinguishability just code for "count the two distinct particles together - not as two - when counting what is equilikely and ...
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Quantum representation of a system of identical particles

I'm studying mathematics and I began a course in quantum statistics, in which I got to the discussion related to indistinguishibility of particles. My professor's notes are not very clear and ...
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Identical Particles in Non Relativistic Theory

I have a problem with the following reasoning taken from Messiah which is meant to show that there are intrinsic difficulties in identical particles which are neither bosons nor fermions. Suppose the ...
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2-level system of indistinguishable particles

It is a typical introductory problem in classical statistical physics to calculate the entropy of a two-level-system: say we have a N particle system in which particles can have energy E or 0. ...
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Spectrum of two particles system hamiltonian

Consider the following hamiltonian describing a system of two identical spin 1/2 particles in one dimension: $$H = H_1 +H_2 - \lambda \vec {s_1} . \vec {s_2}$$ Where $H_i$ is the Hamiltonian of an ...
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Finding the state and wave-function for two identical spin-1 bosons trapped in one-dimensional harmonic oscillator

My question concerns the validity of my approach to a problem and wether the answer is correct. I am tasked with writing the state vector(s) and wave-function(s) for when two identical spin-1 bosons ...
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Finding the eigenstates and eigenvalues of a system of three not interacting electrons

I am trying to solve a problem on identical particles where there are three not interacting electrons. It's known that the Hamiltonian of a particle $h_{0}$ acts only on the orbital variables with non ...
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Collision between two identical particles

I was working on the exercises of the identical particles chapter of Cohen-Tannoudji, and got stuck due to some conceptual flaws. My questions are numbered below. In the problem, there are two ...
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Non-Integer Values in Indistinguishable Particle Combinations Quantum Stat Mech

I am taking a thermodynamics course and we have talked about stat mech and the number of possible combinations of $N$ indistinguishable particles given degeneracy $g$. We stated that for the ...
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Indistinguishable particles and statistical mechanincs

i'm studying the paragraph 5.5 (page 119) of this book: http://sciold.ui.ac.ir/~sjalali/MSc.Students/statistical.mechanics/pathria.pdf Now at page 121 we have: $$ \sum\limits_{p} \delta_p{u_{k1}}(...
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Do the exchange operator and Hamiltonian commute for non-identical particles?

Wherever I have read about exchange operator(P), it is stated that for two identical bosons it introduces a plus sign after exchange and minus sign for fermions. P and Hamiltonian(H) commute for two ...
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Spin-1 particle as a bound state of two particles - how to write state ket?

Consider a spin-1 particle that is a bound state of two particles of spin-1/2. How do you write the state $\left|\alpha\right\rangle$ if the two particles are distinguishable? the two ...
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Isospin and indistinguishable particles

I am trying to understand the properties of a proton-neutron system assuming that isospin is a good symmetry, so I will forget about electromagnetism, weak interactions, QCD and all those more ...
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Three particles case, finding ground energy state

Here I came up with three particles in a box problem. (Assumption: Here I do not consider the interaction between particles and spin for simplicity.) What I want to do is express the ground state's ...
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Restriction to the total angular momentum of two identical particles with spin 1

I've been asked if there is any aditional restriction to obtain the possible values of the total angular momentum J by considering that the 2 particles of spin S=1 are identical. If they are not ...
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Distance of two indistinguishable particles

Consider: The wavefunction of a two-particle system (both Fermions and Bosons possible): $$ \psi_\pm(x_1,x_2) = \sqrt{\frac{1}{2}}[\psi_n(x_1)\psi_m(x_2) \mp \psi_m(x_1)\psi_n(x_2)] $$ And a ...
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Griffiths Quantum Mechanics - Identical Particles (Wavefunctions)

An example in Griffith's Intro. to Quantum Mechanics is: Suppose we have two non-interacting particles both of mass $m$ in a infinite square well. The one particle states are $$\phi_n (x) = \sqrt{\...
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Can I distinguish a Bose-Einstein Condensate of composite bosons from one of elementary bosons?

The only requirement for an ensemble of particles to undergo a transition into a BEC is to be bosons. But two fermions also make a bosons. Are there physical, measureable implications of a BEC being ...
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Do anyonic statistics only arise from spatial degrees of freedom?

Elementary texts on quantum mechanics justify the existence of fermions and bosons using the simple argument that if we have a state of two indistinguishable particles $|a,b \rangle$, where $a$ and $b$...
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Hilbert space of an ensemble of identically prepared systems

In order to verify experimentally the quantum mechanical predictions when we measure observable $\hat O$ on a given system A, it is usual to prepare an ensemble of identically prepared systems ($N$ ...
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energy per particle in the ground state for non-interacting identical particles moving in external linear harmonic oscillator potential

Consider N non-interacting identical particles moving in an external linear harmonic oscillator potential. I want to calculate the energy per particle in ground state and show that It is constant if ...
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what does antisymmetrizing mean when it comes to electrons?

Consider two electron at $|x\rangle$ and $|y\rangle$ respectively. Is it possible to anti-symmetrize the total state of the the system just with the above information? If I make $$|\psi\rangle = [|x\...
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Are nucleons, atoms and molecules identical particles?

Why are nucleons, atoms and molecules considered identical particles (bosons or fermions) even if they can be distinguished by the state of their most elementary components? Also, what size does a ...