# Block and inclined plane (INPhO Problem)

The figure shows two blocks on an inclined plane of mass 1kg each.The coefficient of static as well as kinetic friction is $0.6$ and angle of inclination is $30^\circ$ . Find the acceleration of the system. (string and pulley are ideal). Take $g=10m/s^2$.

[This is not the real image given in the question and they have not specified the direction of acceleration]

I attended the question like any other block-inclined plane problem assuming block $m_2$ to be moving down and got the answer to be $-5.1m/s^2$. But, the answer says if you take the other block to be moving down then you get an acceleration of $-0.1 m/s^2$. Since there are two negative values for acceleration we can conclude that the acceleration is zero. It doesn't make any sense to me. Please explain this. The answer is given in such a way that the static friction has no role. Why is it so?

• What is the angle of the incline? Commented Oct 22, 2013 at 11:20
• Ohh sorry, it's 30 degrees. Commented Oct 22, 2013 at 11:21
• Should I assume the plane is not free to move?
– Ali
Commented Oct 22, 2013 at 11:55
• @Ali The surface is given to have friction that's all. Commented Oct 22, 2013 at 12:00
• @RajathKrishnaR CAn you pls give the detailed solution you have??I find the method by rijul quite good and reasonable. Commented Oct 26, 2013 at 17:42

First thing is, Friction prevents relative motion. What this means is, that the value and the direction of friction will so adjust, that it will try to minimize relative motion between the surface and the block and to prevent it, if possible.
Next, static friction is an self-adjusting force. What this means is that, its magnitude and value is not fixed but it will change depending on the different physical situations, i.e. different forces acting on the body. It's maximum value in this case will be $\mu_s N$ but it can have any value from zero to this maximum. The value depends upon the situation and is always such that it avoids relative motion. (having the maximum value is the best try friction can do to prevent relative motion, and beyond that, if the external force is increased, relative motion occurs and the value of static friction is substituted by kinetic friction.)

In your problem, you should first try and check if a stationary (zero acceleration) solution is possible, i.e. will friction be able to prevent relative motion (between the inclined plane and the block 2). To do this, draw a free body diagram of block $M_2$. It has $T$ tension acting upwards (along the incline of the plane) and $M_2g\sin\theta$ acting downwards (along the incline). Let us suppose a static solution is possible, i.e. friction is able to prevent all motions.

Then, both the blocks must be stationary. This means that the tension $T=M_1g$ since, on block 1 there is only the downward gravitational force which needs to be balanced by the upward tension if it has to stay stationary.

Going back to block 2, the forces along the incline are $M_1g=10N$ upwards and $M_2g\sin\theta=5N$ downwards and the friction. Since the upwards (along the incline) force is greater than that downwards, the friction must act in a downward direction to keep the block in equilibrium. The magnitude of friction needs to be $5N$ which is less than the maximum value of friction possible $\mu_sN=0.6M_2g\cos30=5.196N$, and hence the static solution is possible. Here, the frictional force will be $5N$ and not $5.196N$ as static friction self-adjusts to the value required to maintain a stationary state, i.e. prevent relative motion.

The 2 negative accelerations you get by assuming maximum static friction and then solving, indicates that a static solution is possible, since both accelerations turning out to be negative with maximum static friction means that maximum static friction is more than the other forces and hence friction is capable of balancing other forces and create a static solution.

• I don't know why but, I could understand your answer better than the other two and I think it's complete in all respects. Commented Oct 28, 2013 at 7:56

The answer lies in the fact of how frictional forces work."Frictional forces always try to oppose relative motion between surfaces(and if possible they will completely eliminate the motion between the surfaces)."

We can write the equations of motions as(assuming $a$ as stated in the figure) as:

$m_1g-T=m_1a$

$T-m_2gsin(\theta)-f=m_2a$

where f is the frictional force directed downwards along the incline.

Solving this for $a$ we get,

$a=-\frac{f}{m_1+m_2}+\frac{m_1-m_2sin\theta}{m_1+m_2}g$

Therefore,

$a=mf+c$

The static frictional force acting on a object is always less than the limiting frictional force$=\mu N$(which also happens here to be the kinetic frictional force).Also the direction of friction is unknown so that leads to the negative values of f.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction#Dry_friction)

Therefore,we have, $-\mu mg \cos(\theta)\leq f \leq \mu mg \cos(\theta)$

So using the given extreme values for f,we get that at one extreme the block moves up and at the other it moves down,so there must be a value of $f$ for which $a=0$ since the graph of acceleration vs $f$ is s straight line.

Put simply,the extreme values of $a$ imply that the line of $a$ vs $f$ has an x-intercept which in turn will imply that friction will self adjust to give a zero acceleration.(That is exactly what the frictional force wants-no relative motion.)

• Can you please explain −μmgcos(θ)≤f≤μmgcos(θ) . Commented Oct 22, 2013 at 11:46

Let us assume that the bodies are not at all mlving then the tension in thread due to mass m1 is 10 N and force of gravitation on mass m2 along incline is 5 N but maximum friction is 5.2 N so the block s would not move at all. This is what we accept for a stationary system.
Hence our assumption is correct and the blocks do not move.

Thanks sandesh for making me remember that friction can be variable.

Addendum : please notice that "maths" is not failing to give appropriate results, we have failed to account for the variable magnitude of frictional force, when we assume the friction to be in maximum value(limiting friction) we get negative results from both side, since we did a mistake while putting the value of friction as limiting friction in our equations.

• But, that is not going to matter because if I have taken the wrong direction of acceleration I will get a negative value for acceleration as answer that's all. Commented Oct 22, 2013 at 11:41
• The system doesn't move at all. Commented Oct 22, 2013 at 11:44
• I have the answer with me by experts of HBCSE and it is written in it that "since the two answers are negative we can conclude the system to be stationary". I'm not able to understand this statement. It doesn't give me any intuition. How can the math cannot tell the truth? Commented Oct 22, 2013 at 11:59
• What do you make of Sandesh Kalantre's answer? Commented Oct 22, 2013 at 12:11