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When you create an arc in the air it becomes several thousand degrees and is hot enough to weld with.

However, plasma arcs in neon/argon are cool to the touch, and are used for neon lighting and small plasma toys, even at atmospheric pressure.

The same transformer that powers these toys or neon lighting, can be used to make extremely hot air arcs, that can ignite a lighter for example.

It seems like there is a difference in the way arcs work in air and other gases? Why is it hotter in air?

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The difference is in the amount of current which is allowed to flow in the circuit, as follows.

Imagine we generate a spark between two oppositely charged electrodes close to each other, in air. The spark provides a low-impedance path for current to flow through the air from one electrode to another. More current means more ionization, which means lower impedance, which means more current -> more ionization -> lower impedance -> more current, etc. and if we furnish the electrodes with as much current as they want, then the spark quickly degenerates into a power arc consisting of plasma carrying hundreds of amps of current and generating enough heat via ohm's law to melt steel.

On the other hand, if we externally restrict the amount of current allowed to flow between the electrodes (say for instance with a series resistor), then we can stabilize the ionization in the gap at any level we want, and obtain for example a low-current glow discharge between them that cannot degenerate into a high-current power arc.

So... a neon tube power supply has a current-limiting resistor in series with the tube so you get only a glow discharge from the tube- whereas an arc welder power supply does not have the same sort of current limiter in it, so "striking" an arc between the welding electrodes will instantly yield a super-hot plasma carrying hundreds of amps.

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  • $\begingroup$ I've been able to melt metals using the arc from a neon tube power supply. It is current limited but the arc is still really hot. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 12 at 8:03
  • $\begingroup$ @CaptainCodeman - It need not be hot at all. If you push too much current through anything that has a finite resistivity, it can melt or ablate, depending on the substance. The arc itself isn't always the issue, it's the current carried in the arc that can cause problems. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 12 at 13:57
  • $\begingroup$ @CaptainCodeman, I tried that once and could not get it to work! $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 12 at 16:07
  • $\begingroup$ @honeste_vivere it's not much current though. I believe neon sign transformers are limited to around 20ma. Andi t was definitely hot, if I put a stick in the middle it incinerated instantly. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 12 at 21:06
  • $\begingroup$ @CaptainCodeman 20 mA can be a lot if there's a large potential difference there. My point was that temperature is not really the critical parameter here because it could be the coldest beam of electrons ever but if it carried sufficient current, it could still melt even something like Tungsten... $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 15 at 13:47

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