# Moving the plates of a charged capacitor to calculate energy density - where's the flaw in my argument?

For a charged air-dielectric capacitor, let the plates be parallel to the $xy$ plane, with the top carrying a positive charge $+Q$, the bottom a charge $-Q$. The force on an infinitesimal charge contained in a volume $dv$ inside the top plate is

$$-\vec E_z\rho(x,y,z)dv$$

Integrating this over the volume of the plate gives the total force on its center of mass as $$-\vec E_z Q$$ which becomes using Gauss's law

$$-\hat n_z E^2A\epsilon_0$$

If the plates are moved apart a distance $dz$ by an opposing force $\vec F$, the infinitesimal work done is $E^2\epsilon_0Adz$, and integrating this from zero to their final separation $d$ gives the energy density as $E^2\epsilon_0$.

But this is different to the correct value of $1/2E^2\epsilon_0$, so where's the flaw in the above argument?

The error is in the initial force calculation, where, to calculate the force on a charge element, you use the net electric field. Since this field is generated by both plates, not just one, you are effectively including a force on the charge due to its own field.

Instead, consider the field generated by the other plate only, which is half the net field and gives the correct force on the charge element. (From this perspective, the field generated by the charge element is isotropic and of course results in 0 force.)

Another way to see this is to start with the self-field generated by a charge element, which is 1/2 the net field in the up direction and 1/2 the net field down. To calculate the force on this charge element, one must first subtract out the self-field from the net field.

• I don't think your answer is correct. The net force on a plate from its local electric fields acting on its local charge density is zero. It has to be, because pairs of forces between different charge elements are equal and opposite. For the same reason, the self force of a charge element acting upon itself is also zero. You therefore end up with the same answer whether or not you include the electric field from the local plate. Sep 18, 2013 at 21:58
• I'll stand by my answer, but I could word it better. I agree with your comments re the self force being 0. Note, however, that the self field has a discontuity, equal to the net field, right at the charge layer. If you calculate the force from the net field you have to take that step into account. What's the net field precisely at the charge layer? Since the self force must be zero, it's easier to just ignore the self field and work only with the field from the other plate (which is well-behaved where we're calculating the force). Sep 19, 2013 at 7:29
• In fact, since the self force must be 0, the self field at the charge layer must also be 0. That's consistent with my result. Sep 19, 2013 at 7:32
• If you agree that the self force is zero, and therefore contributes no work when the plates are moved, then this clearly makes your answer incorrect where you say: "you are effectively including a force on the charge due to its own field". I agree with your comments on the local charge discontinuity, but there's one on the other plate as well. Sep 19, 2013 at 12:36
• Yes, plate self-force=0, but you are including only part of that self-field in your calc, resulting in a self-force. Actually, the bottom plate pulls the top plate with E/2 (yes, same +/- discontinuity as top plate), the top plate's +/- E/2 self-fields cancel the self-force, and the sum of the two plates' +/-E/2 self-fields gives the familiar net result. Sep 19, 2013 at 15:56

The flaw is in assuming the electric field is $\vec E_z$ everwhere inside the charge layer.

One part of the charge layer boundary is in contact with the conductor where the electric field is zero, another with the air where the electric field is $\vec E_z$. So clearly the electric field inside the charge layer volume will be somewhere between these two values, and we need to solve Poisson's equation:

$$\nabla^2 \phi = \rho/\epsilon_0$$

Along an electric field tube of cross sectional area $dA$ entering the charge layer from the air and terminating on the other side in contact with the conductor, we can write:

$$\epsilon_0 d\vec E(\vec r) = \rho(\vec r)dr\tag{1}$$

Multiplying both sides of (1) by $\vec EdA$ gives the differential force, and We can therefore integrate this along an electric tube where the electric field is $E_z$ as it enters the charge layer, and 0 when it terminates at the conducting region, to give the total differential force on the plate

$$d\vec F_z = 1/2\epsilon_0 \hat n_z E^2dA$$

Integrating this over the whole surface area gives the total force as $1/2\epsilon_0 \hat n_z E^2A$, and your following arguments then gives the correct energy density.