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let us consider the following setup of beam splitters: single photons enter beam splitter A with R/T ratio of 50:50 and split into two paths A1 and A2. A1 undergoes a phase shift of X and then using mirrors and beam splitter B we recombine A1 and A2 into one beam and send it to a detector.

  1. how would we calculate the probability of a photon to reach detector?

  2. will all 100% of the photons reach the detector (there's only one detector)? if so how does the interference affect the probability?

beam split and recombined

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    $\begingroup$ this may interest you youtube.com/watch?v=RRi4dv9KgCg $\endgroup$
    – anna v
    Jun 16, 2023 at 8:54
  • $\begingroup$ in the lecture you're referring to the light is returning to the source, but in my setup that shouldn't be $\endgroup$
    – Gilad
    Jun 16, 2023 at 9:12
  • $\begingroup$ photons are quantum mechanical entities , there is no "shouldnt" , source and photon are in one quantum solution. $\endgroup$
    – anna v
    Jun 16, 2023 at 10:26
  • $\begingroup$ What happens to the photons coming from A2 when they hit B? Do they all reflect toward the detector, or do 50% of them transmit through and up? $\endgroup$ Jun 16, 2023 at 22:18
  • $\begingroup$ The trivial mistake here is to assume that beams are flat and that the optical setup absorbs all the beam power that goes into it. They aren't and it doesn't. Your detector will not see a flat field but fringes, which move as you tune the delay, but if the detector is large enough the total power in all of those fringes combined is always the same as the input power (which is NOT constant because of reflected waves). Again, this is just another "thought experiment" that is based on a poor mental model of optics and quantum mechanics. $\endgroup$ Jun 17, 2023 at 1:17

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Those paths of photons are not hard etched, meaning that it is a distribution of probable paths. The probability of photons reaching the detector will depend on phase differences between the paths. The photons that don't reach the detector due to destructive interference go somewhere else. Interference is the absence of energy exchange. If you somehow make all photons collect at the detector then the detector should record all photons.

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In the diagram, phase difference is not equal for all paths because of beam splitter A and beam splitter B. Let me list the all possible (intended for typical MZI experiment) paths:

  1. SA(M1)BW
  2. SA(M1)BD
  3. SA(M2)BW
  4. SA(M2)BD

You see "D" comes in only two paths. Paths 2&4 goes to D while paths 1&3 wasted towards W.

Now let's assume each reflection off a beam splitter or a mirror adds in $\pi_{/2}$ phase to the photon. Above listed paths from here on will be abbreviated as P1, P2, P3 and P4.

We will consider two cases here as examples.

First case (when no phase change is introduced at X):

P1 will added $ \pi_{/2} $ per each reflection off A, M1 and B towards a total of $ _3\pi_{/2} $. P3 will only be adding $ \pi_{/2} $ off M2, and phase difference P1 and P2 will be $\pi$ meaning destructive interference towards W. So the probability of a photon reaching W is 0 in this case.

Now following the same procedure as I did for P1 we can see that P2 will add only $\pi$ while p4 also adds $\pi$, hence they are in the same phase meaning constructive interference.

This means all photons emitted by the source should reach D. (Probability of a photon reaching D is 1)

Second case (when $\pi$ phase change is introduced at X):

The situation changes drastically if you adjust X to introduce $\pi$ phase difference between paths A1 and A2. This will cause following results for the photon's probability of reaching the detector.

Now P1 will added same $ _3\pi_{/2} $ as before but P3 now will be adding the same phase difference due to M2 and X. As a result they will be in the same phase and photons will be in constructive interference towards W.

In contrast, while P2 will be having same $\pi$ phase, p4 now will be adding additional $\pi$ due to X making phase of p4 to a total of $_2\pi$ phase change. This causes a phase difference of $\pi$ between paths P2 and P4, meaning destructive interference towards detector D. So the probability of reaching the photon to detector D is now 0 as all photons emitted from the source will be wasting towards W.

You can see how phase change introduced at X affect the probability of a photon reaching detector D. You cannot write equations omitting some possible paths, [in this case paths towards W]. If you include all possible paths then your equations should give the correct results.

Interference does not mean photon loss, but it can affect the probability of detecting photons at different locations. Interference is the phenomenon of superposition of two or more waves, resulting in constructive or destructive interference depending on their relative phase and polarization. When photons interfere, they do not annihilate each other, but they can change their direction or energy due to their interaction with other photons or matter.

For example, in the classic double-slit experiment, photons that pass through two slits interfere with each other and form an interference pattern on a screen. The interference pattern shows regions of high and low intensity, corresponding to constructive and destructive interference, respectively. However, the total number of photons detected on the screen is equal to the number of photons emitted by the source.

Another example is the Hong-Ou-Mandel (HOM) effect, where two indistinguishable photons impinge on a balanced beamsplitter. The interference of the photons causes them to bunch together and exit through the same output port of the beamsplitter, resulting in zero coincidences between the detectors placed at the two output ports. However, this does not mean that the photons are lost; they are simply redirected to only one of the detectors at a time.

If you want more details about your equations I suggest you read this: Using a Mach-Zehnder Interferometer to Illustrate Feynman's Sum Over Histories Approach to Quantum Mechanics

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    – Buzz
    Jun 27, 2023 at 20:24
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You can use Feynman's path integral (PI) to calculate interference .... but for this experiment you will need to know beam width/shape, divergence angle, power density...

A simple example of the PI is for the double slit, you can calculate the path lengths from source thru a slit onto a point on the screen. Repeat for say 500 paths across slit A and slit B then calculate phase, sum, square it. Keep it symmetrical. Repeat for many points on the screen... voila an interference pattern! (Note we assume illumination is constant across the slit).

For your setup you could include a phase delay in one arm.

Ideally all photons get detected ... they are just deciding which path has the highest probability and taking it. Actually the EM field is guiding everything! BUT at mirror B you are losing 50% of the photons ....because it also has to be a beam splitter ... there is no device that can combine beams in the apparatus you show.

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    $\begingroup$ You don't need QED for this trivial wave experiment. You just have to have some experimental experience with optical interferometers to know what really happens, which is simply not what the OP expects in his mind. $\endgroup$ Jun 17, 2023 at 1:18
  • $\begingroup$ why is " there no device that can combine beams in the apparatus you show.", why can't we create some type of one way glass, that transfers all of A1 and reflects all of A2? $\endgroup$
    – Gilad
    Jun 18, 2023 at 6:04
  • $\begingroup$ @Gilad can't be done .... physics won't allow us to make 2 beams into one unless we double the size, it's called etendue. An exception would be if the beams were of opposite polarizations or of different colors ... then filters are available that can combine. $\endgroup$ Jun 18, 2023 at 14:53
  • $\begingroup$ How much phase difference upon reflecting those guiding mirrors? $\pi$ or $\pi/2$? Or it depends? $\endgroup$ Jun 19, 2023 at 13:22
  • $\begingroup$ phase difference of mirrors doesn't matter, it's the same for both paths, the final phase difference is X. What would happen if instead of passing through B both paths would unite directly at the detector, with phase difference X between them, how would the interference then affect the number of photons reaching the detector? $\endgroup$
    – Gilad
    Jun 26, 2023 at 6:20

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