# Why/When can we separate spacetime into space and time?

As far as I understand, for all practical applications in GR, we would need a way to split space and time. Since, often in practical applications and understanding physical phenomena, lengths and time are quintessential. For eg, in GPS applications, an exact location in space must be given for it to work.

However, at the same time, GR says that dynamics happen in a 4 dimensional spacetime. A priori, reading Einstein equations and such, there would be no reason to imagine it can be split into 3 space +1 tine dimensions, but yet we can.

So, why can we? or alternatively, when can we do this?

My question is different from this question as I am asking a more foundational question. Why/When. While the question in the post, assumes takes this as possible and asks an explanation about it's construction. Although I admit, I didn't know of Geroch's work.

• the only thing special about time in relativity is the metric signature, and as to why it is like that --- well, it agrees with experiment :') Commented Apr 26, 2023 at 2:49
• Time is that which the clocks show and space is that which the rulers measure. Sounds pretty separate to me. What is a constant is the speed of causality, but speed was always a construct of space and time... and nothing has changed there. Commented Apr 26, 2023 at 3:07
• Space and time are not single entity... I thought the Einstein said otherwise :/ Commented Apr 26, 2023 at 3:43
• Einstein never said we can’t distinguish space from time. Commented Apr 26, 2023 at 4:27
• If you look at differing velocities in Minkowski diagrams, it becomes clear that the timeline/worldline of different observers are mixes of space and time in differing frames of reference. It is just possible for every frame of reference to pick their own spacetime splitting, even though other observers would noisily disagree. You might want to ignore FlatterMann, who is often too uninterested in theoretical aspects of physics to get things correct, yet loves to opine on the matter. Commented Apr 26, 2023 at 6:41

The notion that a spacetime can be decomposed into a spacelike and timelike part is generally called a spacelike foliation, where your spacetime manifold can be decomposed into purely spatial submanifolds at a given point in time :

Spacetime in general relativity is always locally like Minkowski space, as the saying goes. In some sense, it is always possible to generate some local coordinates in which you can split the spacetime into a spatial and timelike part like that.

There are many ways to do this, but consider this example : at a given point $$p$$, the tangent space $$T_p M$$ just looks like Minkowski space. You can assign some orthonormal basis $$\{ e_\mu\}$$ there, where $$e_0$$ is a timelike vector and the remaining vectors are spacelike.

Around this point $$p$$, there exists a neighbourhood $$U_p$$ which maps a subset of the tangent space $$T_p M$$ to $$U_p$$ bijectively : every vector corresponds to a point in that neighbourhood and vice versa. The map is the exponential map at $$p$$, $$\exp_p : T_p M \to U_p$$, and it is usually constructed for instance by considering geodesics (with proper time parametrization) emanating from $$p$$ with a tangent vector $$v$$.

This defines a set of coordinates on the manifold which are very close to Minkowski space, and certainly allow for a decomposition into time and space. The time coordinates are simply the flow of the $$e_0$$ vector, appropriately parallely transported around, and the same goes for the spatial coordinates. Furthermore, if you define a foliation of $$T_p M$$ into spacelike slices (as you can generally do), this corresponds to a foliation of this neighbourhood into such slices as well.

The problem of general relativity here is that this neighbourhood generally has a finite extent. The exponential map fails to be bijective at some point (the cut locus), meaning that two curves starting at $$p$$ with different directions end up at the same point, therefore no longer making valid coordinates at that point (physically this would correspond for instance to two objects shot in different directions eventually crossing paths, for instance as in the case of gravitational lensing). This isn't necessarily to say that you can no longer split spacetime into time and space beyond that point, but the most basic method to do so will no longer work.

The range in which we can use this is called the injectivity radius of the exponential map. It's a pretty hard quantity to estimate, but as far as I know it isn't an issue for any body inside the solar system for instance (although you can get Einstein rings for the observation of other stars), to give you an idea of the scales involved.

If you can't extend such coordinates like that, it is still possible (and in fact quite likely) that spacetime can still be decomposed in such a way. You can find counter examples. For instance the pair of pants spacetime (where some initial region splits into two after some time) admits no such global decomposition into a time and space part :

The Gödel spacetime also admits no such foliation. There is no way to say, even conventionally, if two events occurs simultaneously in there.

The root of those issues is quite complex. On a formal level this is due to the lack of an integrable distribution on those spacetimes : there's no set of 3 spacelike vector fields on that spacetime that can be both the tangents of a 3-submanifold foliation and also complementary to a foliation by timelike vectors.

While this issue isn't entirely down to causality issue (plenty of non-causal spacetimes admit such a foliation), it is true that if a spacetime's causality is well-behaved enough, it will admit such a foliation. If a spacetime is stably causal, there exists a foliation into spacelike hypersurfaces. This roughly means that 1) there's no closed timelike or causal curves (objects can't intersect themselves in the past) 2) those curves can't also be almost closed 3) you can't have such problems even if you change the metric a little bit.

As those are very mild conditions on causality, it is usually assumed that spacetimes can indeed be decomposed like that. If you strengthen those causal conditions a little bit into being globally hyperbolic, you have furthermore the condition that all the spatial slices are identical, and your spacetime has the topology $$\mathbb{R} \times \Sigma$$, with the line $$\mathbb{R}$$ being time and $$\Sigma$$ being some spatial manifold.

Beware that such decompositions aren't unique. Much like in special relativity, where the equivalent is the consideration of simultaneity surfaces, we can choose a wild variety of such decompositions. If the spacetime can be decomposed but is still fairly ill-behaved, it's even possible that different foliations will have wildly different properties, such as having different topologies for the spatial slices.

But overall, those are very theoretical considerations. As far as we can tell from observations, our spacetime is very boring in that respect, and can be decomposed into time and space without too much worries, as long as you keep in mind that those are choices that one has to keep track of. If you are worried about actual astronomical observations for instance, you can check some of the "official" astronomical spacetime coordinates[1][2] used in the field, which are very much considering a split into time and space.

• I don't understand the gravitational lensing example. For one I don't think scale enters much into it. Gravitational lensing around a stellar mass black hole would cause this effect on a scale of 10^4-10^5m, wouldn't it? All it does, though, is to cause "double vision"... which doesn't seem any different from what I can get from a simple mirror. I don't see real physics in that example. Deflection of light in spacetime by a massive object and reflection on a mirror are not significantly different and they don't change causality. What am I missing? Commented Apr 26, 2023 at 14:29
• Those are indeed similar examples, both examples of caustics. The difference is that the caustics caused by spacetime curvature apply to geodesics, unlike optical caustics, which are due to interactions. Caustics in a spacetime don't point to causality issues, but they do indicate a breakdown of the spacetime being "Euclidian" : in a flat geometry, two straight lines intersect exactly once [at most], but in general relativity they can meet arbitrarily often. As mentioned, this does not lead to any obstruction of the space/time decomposition, but it makes it less evident that this can be done. Commented Apr 26, 2023 at 14:35

In the real world, there is no problem. You measure time with a clock, but you measure space with a ruler. Of course, given the assumption that the speed of light is invariant, you may use one to construct the other, but they are still different things in practice.

Don't lose sight of the physics through the fog of abstraction in the theory. What the theory gives you is the ability to relate time and space as measured in different frames. The key thing is that all observers will agree on the time order of events that have a potential causal relationship: there's no such ordering of space.

• The question is pretty clearly asking what the full extent of situations in which it can be done in practice are according to current theory, though. We can obviously do it in practice, but the theoretical description is specifically what they're asking for detail on. Commented Apr 26, 2023 at 18:19
• @JustinHilyard Well, if the theory doesn't match practice, it needs to be fixed! Commented Apr 26, 2023 at 20:28
• @JohnDoty Yes, if your understanding of theoretical physics does not encompass how it relates to observed reality, that understanding should be fixed. You might even endeavor to ask questions about how the theoretical constructs can be rationalized to match the real world. -- Do you perhaps know of a Q&A site where one might get useful answers to such questions?
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Commented Apr 27, 2023 at 18:20

The metric typically has signature (+---) (or (-+++, depending on which sign convention you use) meaning that one of the coordinates has a different sign than the other 3.That's the time-like one, and the other 3 are space-like. Note that the time-like coordinate is not necessarily exactly what clocks measure (proper time), although it's usually convenient to make it so.

Also note that it is possible to use coordinate systems with coordinates that are neither time-like nor space-like. That's useful in some rare cases (e.g. the lightcone variant of Kruskal-Szekeres coordinates for a black hole, in which the U and V coordinates are light-like and denote the ingoing and outgoing null geodesics, respectively).

As for why space and time are differentiated, that's a matter of empirical experience. Logically there are 3 possibilities for universes that obey the principle of relativity (and a few other basic symmetry assumptions): Euclidean space (all 4 dimensions the same), Newtonian/Galilean space (3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension, which don't mix at all), and Minkowski space (3 spatial and 1 temporal dimension, which mix in a restricted way). Experiment shows we live in a Minkowski spacetime.