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From the book of Breuer and Petruccione [1], the Lindblad master equation for open quantum systems reads $\mathrm{d} \rho (t) / \mathrm{d}t = \mathcal{L} \rho(t)$, where $\mathcal{L}$ is the Lindblad superoperator. In analogy to closed quantum systems, it can be written in the Heisenberg picture for any operator $A_H(t)$, and reads $$ \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t} A_H(t) = \mathcal{L}^\dagger A_H(t)$$ In particular, for the annihilation operator $a$, and assuming the Lindblad operator $\mathcal{L}\rho = \kappa \mathcal{D}[a]\rho = \kappa \left(a\rho a^\dagger - \{ a^\dagger a, \rho \} / 2\right)$ which represents single-photon decay, then the adjoint master equation on $a$ reads $$ \frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t}a(t) = \kappa\mathcal{D}^\dagger[a] a(t) = - \frac{\kappa}{2} a(t).$$ This differential equation is easily solved, and yields $a(t) = a(0) \exp(-\kappa t / 2)$. From this, we can evaluate the commutation relation, which reads $$ [a(t), a^\dagger(t)] = \exp(-\kappa t) [a(0), a^\dagger(0)] = \exp(-\kappa t)$$ This seems to contradict the usual formula $[a, a^\dagger] = 1$ (assuming $\hbar = 1$). How can I resolve this contradiction? $$ $$

[1] H.-P. Breuer and F. Petruccione, The theory of open quantum systems (Oxford University Press, 2002).

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First of all, there is a priori no reason to assume that $a(t)$ and $a^\dagger(t)$ satisfy the canonical commutation relation for $t>0$. But that is probably not a very satisfying answer to your question, so let me motivate why operators generally cannot maintain their commutation relations at times $t>0$.

The Lindblad equation describes relaxation to equilibrium, and therefore the system state in the Schrödinger picture generically* converges towards a unique steady state $\rho_\infty$ at long times, $\rho(t) \to \rho_\infty$, independent of the initial state $\rho(0) = \rho_0$. A direct consequence is that, if $A$ is some operator, the expectation value $\operatorname{tr}[A\, \rho(t)]$ converges to a number $A_\infty$ independent of $\rho_0$.

Translating that to the Heisenberg picture, we find $$ \lim_{t \to \infty} \operatorname{tr}[A(t)\, \rho_0] = \lim_{t \to \infty} \operatorname{tr}[A\, \rho(t)] = A_\infty , $$ which is only possible if $$ \lim_{t \to \infty} A(t) = A_\infty\, \mathbb I . $$ Here, $\mathbb I$ is the identity operator. Operators in the Heisenberg picture must therefore converge to a multiple of the identity, and their commutator will go to zero.

* Not every Lindblad equation has a unique steady state, but almost all Lindblad equations that we as Physicists are interested in do. There are mathematical criteria for that. In any case, it is not important for the argument above whether all Lindblad equations are like that.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks for your answer, I understand your argument on the mathematical side. However, if $a$ and $a^\dagger$ do not satisfy commutation relations anymore, it seems to me that the Heisenberg incertainty principle can be violated. Are the canonical commutation relations replaced by some other identity? Or can the incertainty principle actually be violated because we're dealing with an open quantum system? $\endgroup$
    – Ronan
    Commented Jan 15, 2023 at 16:48
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    $\begingroup$ @Ronan Ah, now I see where you are coming from. For exactly this reason, I think it is best to view the Heisenberg picture (of the Lindblad eq.) just as a mathematical tool. If $x(0)$ and $p(0)$ are position and momentum operators, $x(t)$ and $p(t)$ can not be interpreted as position/momentum since they do not satisfy the CCR. You might be interested in physics.stackexchange.com/questions/422851/… and physics.stackexchange.com/questions/681366/… $\endgroup$
    – Noiralef
    Commented Jan 16, 2023 at 5:12
  • $\begingroup$ The operators $a$ and $a^†$ do satisfy the commutation relations, as I noted in my reply. It just has to be derived more carefully, because the product rule (which was tacitly assumed in the query) is no longer valid. The (still future) follow-up I alluded to in my reply will be in a reply to the 422851 link; but I might also add a note in a reply to the 681366 link, since it more closely tracks the key talking points that I raised. $\endgroup$
    – NinjaDarth
    Commented Nov 4 at 17:57
  • $\begingroup$ @NinjaDarth Sorry but that's just wrong. The Heisenberg picture operators do not. Sure, you can instead define an interaction picture where they do, but none of them are more valid than the others. As I explained, the fact that these operators do not satisfy the CCR in the Heisenberg picture tells us something about the physics. $\endgroup$
    – Noiralef
    Commented Nov 5 at 0:07
  • $\begingroup$ "Sorry but that's just wrong" - sorry but that is just wrong. "The Heisenberg picture operators do not" - do not what? And what "do not"? You're being vague on both counts, and that's part of the confusion you're having. As you can see: $[a,a^†]_H = 1$. That's the Heisenberg picture transform of $[a,a^†]$, not $[a_H, (a^†)_H]$. Remember: products are not preserved under the transform, when the dynamics are non-unitary. You have to make a distinction. Thus, for instance, $(AB)_H$ is the transform of a product $AB$, not $A_H B_H$. Similarly, $[A,B]_H = (AB)_H - (BA)_H$, not $[A_H,B_H]$. $\endgroup$
    – NinjaDarth
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Actually, the commutator relation $\left[a, a^†\right] = 1$ you cited does survive conversion, intact. The real issue is that the full conversion to the Heisenberg Picture does not preserve products, because neither the operator $𝔏$ nor its adjoint $𝔏^†$ satisfy the product (a.k.a. Leibnitz) rule.

You worked out the commutator wrong ... precisely because products are not preserved by the full conversion to the Heisenberg Picture. When you do it right, then after all the smoke clears, the commutator pops back up intact.

I'll explain "full" in a moment after expanding your example to include a unitary part: $$\frac{dρ}{dt} = \frac{\left[Ea^†a, ρ\right]}{iħ} + 𝔏 ρ$$ with $E = ħω$ and with your $$𝔏 ρ = κ\left(aρa^† - \frac{\left\{a^†a, ρ\right\}}2\right).$$ So, we added a Hamiltonian $H = Ea^†a$, for some constant $E$, with the understanding that your example can be recovered as the special case where $E = 0$.

The conversion between pictures takes place by matching the corresponding expectation values, which we'll denote in short-hand by $$\left<Aρ\right> = \text{Tr}(Aρ),$$ for the expectation value of an observable $A$ in a state $ρ$. We will make use of the "cyclicity" property of the trace, as well, e.g. $$\left<ρBA\right> = \left<AρB\right> = \left<BAρ\right>.$$ We will also make use of its linearity and factorability with respect to constants $k$: $$\left<A ± B\right> = \left<A\right> ± \left<B\right>,\quad \left<kA\right> = k\left<A\right>.$$

Three pictures will be considered, here:

  • The Schrödinger Picture: observables $A$ constant and eternal, states $ρ(t)$ "flow" in time $t$.
  • The "Heisenberg" Picture: observables $A_H(t)$ are functions of time $t$ (and other coordinates, if dealing with field theory), states $ρ_H$ are eternal and denote an entire history of a system, i.e. its "time-line"; rather than an unfolding of a system over time, effectively treating $t$ as "block time", more akin to how Relativity treats it.
  • The Lindblad Picture: observables $A_L(t)$ are functions of time $t$, as above that evolve unitarily, states $ρ_L(t)$ are also functions of time, but which evolve non-unitarily, as described below. In the limit of zero non-unitariness (here: as $κ → 0$), this becomes the Heisenberg Picture.

In the Lindblad Picture, the evolution of $A_L$ is given only by the unitary part of the Lindblad equation - the part involving $H$: $$\frac{dA_L}{dt} = \frac{\left[A_L, H\right]}{iħ}.$$ The key equations that characterize the other two pictures are $$\frac{dA}{dt} = 0,\quad \frac{dρ_H}{dt} = 0,$$ i.e. that Schrödinger Picture observables $A$ are "eternal" in the sense that they don't flow in time, and that "Heisenberg" Picture states $ρ_H$ are "eternal", and represent an entire history of a system, rather than its state flowing in time.

For convenience, we will also set $ρ_H = ρ(0) = ρ_L(0)$ and $A_H(0) = A = A_L(0)$, to tie all three forms of observables and states to each other. This ties two sets of evolutions to a specific time $t = 0$, which could be treated as a distinguished "now". Choosing a different $t = t_0$ will lead to altered forms of the transforms, so that they are "now"-dependent.

Because the operator on the right-hand side of the equation for $A_L$ satisfies the product (i.e. Leibnitz) rule, then conversions of operators to the Lindblad Picture will preserve products, i.e. $(AB)_L = A_L B_L$. For your example, it will turn out that $H = H_L$, so we won't have to make any distinction between the different forms of $H$.

Such will not be the case with the so-called "Heisenberg" picture because the conversion made was "full" in the sense that the Lindblad operators were also moved to the evolution equation for the observables, and not just the Hamiltonian $H$, so that, in general, $(AB)_H ≠ A_H B_H$. The mixing together of both the unitary part ($H$) and non-unitary part ($𝔏$) into the evolution equation for observables is actually the source of the incompatibility that your question points to. Instead, the conversion will only satisfy linearity and factorability $(A + B)_H = A_H + B_H$ and $(kA)_H = k A_H$ for constant $k$.

In this sense, the Lindblad Picture is better regarded as the analogue of the Heisenberg Picture for non-unitary dynamics, than is the "Heisenberg" Picture, which is why I put the scare quotes on the name. It repairs the product incompatibility.

The correspondence between the different pictures is given by $$\left<Aρ(t)\right> = \left<A_L(t)ρ_L(t)\right> = \left<A_H(t)ρ_H\right>.$$ From this, the relevant evolution equations can be derived. First, we pick an arbitrary state $ρ_H$ $$\left<\frac{dA_H}{dt}ρ_H\right> = \frac{d}{dt}\left<A_Hρ_H\right> = \left<A\frac{dρ}{dt}\right>.$$ Then, we apply the (modified) evolution equation for $ρ$ and use linearity and factorability: $$ \left<A\frac{dρ}{dt}\right> = \frac{\left<A\left[H, ρ\right]\right>}{iħ} + κ\left(\left<Aaρa^†\right> - \frac{\left<A\left\{a^†a, ρ\right\}\right>}2\right). $$ After applying linearity and cyclicity: $$\begin{align} \left<A\left[H, ρ\right]\right> &= \left<A(Hρ - ρH)\right>\\ &= \left<AHρ\right> - \left<AρH\right>\\ &= \left<AHρ\right> - \left<HAρ\right>\\ &= \left<(AH - HA)ρ\right> = \left<\left[A,H\right]ρ\right>,\\ \left<Aaρa^†\right> &= \left<a^†Aaρ\right>,\\ \left<A\left\{a^†a, ρ\right\}\right> &= \left<A(a^†aρ + ρa^†a)\right>\\ &= \left<Aa^†aρ\right> + \left<Aρa^†a\right>\\ &= \left<Aa^†aρ\right> + \left<a^†aAρ\right>\\ &= \left<(Aa^†a + a^†aA)ρ\right> = \left<\left\{A,a^†a\right\}ρ\right>, \end{align}$$ the result is: $$\begin{align} \left<A\frac{dρ}{dt}\right> &= \frac{\left<\left[A,H\right]ρ\right>}{iħ} + κ\left(\left<a^†Aaρ\right> - \frac{\left<\left\{A,a^†a\right\}ρ\right>}2\right)\\ &= \left<\left(\frac{\left[A,H\right]}{iħ} + κ\left(a^†Aa - \frac{\left\{A,a^†a\right\}}2\right)\right)ρ\right>\\ &= \left<\left(\frac{\left[A,H\right]}{iħ} + κ\left(a^†Aa - \frac{\left\{A,a^†a\right\}}2\right)\right)_Hρ_H\right>. \end{align}$$

Applying linearity and factorability, then after noting the arbitrariness of the choice of $ρ_H$, we can extract out the observable part of this equation and write: $$ \frac{dA_H}{dt} = \frac{\left[A,H\right]_H}{iħ} + \left(𝔏^†A\right)_H, $$ which introduces the adjoint: $$𝔏^†A = κ\left(a^†Aa - \frac{\left\{A,a^†a\right\}}2\right).$$

So, now we can see what this does to the various combinations $a$, $a^†$, $aa^†$ and $a^†a$ and what they each look like after conversion. First, as far as the commutator relation $\left[a,a^†\right] = 1$ goes, there's no issue, as you can see here: $$\left<\left[a,a^†\right]_Hρ_H\right> = \left<\left[a,a^†\right]ρ\right> = \left<ρ\right> = \left<ρ_H\right>.$$ Thus, $\left[a,a^†\right]_H = 1$. Therefore, it also follows that $(aa^†)_H - (a^†a)_H = 1$.

To find out what the conversions of the different combinations are, first apply $H = Ea^†a$ and $𝔏^†$ to each of them: $$ \left[H,a\right] = -Ea,\quad 𝔏^†a = -\frac{κ}{2}a,\\ \left[H,a^†\right] = +Ea^†,\quad 𝔏^†a^† = -\frac{κ}{2}a^†,\\ \left[H,aa^†\right] = 0,\quad 𝔏^†aa^† = -κa^†a = -κaa^† + κ,\\ \left[H,a^†a\right] = 0,\quad 𝔏^†a^†a = -κa^†a. $$ The corresponding differential equations (along with the "now at time 0" initial conditions), are: $$ \frac{da_H}{dt} = \frac{-Ea_H}{iħ} - \frac{κ}{2}a_H,\quad a_H(0) = a,\\ \frac{d(a^†)_H}{dt} = \frac{+E(a^†)_H}{iħ} - \frac{κ}{2}(a^†)_H,\quad (a^†)_H(0) = a^†,\\ \frac{d(aa^†)_H}{dt} = -κ(aa^†)_H + κ,\quad (aa^†)_H(0) = aa^†,\\ \frac{d(a^†a)_H}{dt} = -κ(a^†a)_H,\quad (a^†a)_H(0) = a^†a.\\ $$ The solutions, using $E = ħω$, are $$ a_H = a e^{+iωt} e^{-κt/2},\quad (a^†)_H = a^† e^{-iωt} e^{-κt/2},\quad (aa^†)_H = aa^† e^{-κt} + 1 - e^{-κt},\quad (a^†a)_H = a^†a e^{-κt} $$ The commutator relation can be confirmed from this: $$\begin{align} \left[a,a^†\right]_H &= (aa^†)_H - (a^†a)_H\\ &= (aa^† - a^†a) e^{-κt} + 1 - e^{-κt}\\ &= 1 + (\left[a,a^†\right] - 1) e^{-κt}\\ &= 1. \end{align}$$

The "product defects", arising from the non-Leibnitz nature of $𝔏^†$, can also be worked out: $$(aa^†)_H - a_H(a^†)_H = 1 - e^{-κt},\quad (a^†a)_H - (a^†)_Ha_H = 0.$$ Finally, we have your version of the commutator - which is the incorrect version: $$\left[a_H, (a^†)_H\right] = e^{-κt} ≠ 1 = \left[a, a^†\right]_H.$$

As noted above, regarding the "now at time 0" condition: if we choose a different time $t = t_0$ other than $t = 0$ to match up the different pictures, the conversions will be altered. This can be thought of as shifting from one "now" to a different "now" $t_0$. So, there is a concept of "now" built into these constructions, not just time flow. The "now" point represents a point of tangency where flow time meets block time.

For the Lindblad Picture, the resulting equation may be obtained by setting $κ = 0$: $$ \frac{dρ_L}{dt} = (𝔏ρ)_L = κ\left(a^†ρa - \frac{\left\{aa^†,ρ\right\}}2\right)_L = κ\left((a^†)_Lρ_La_L - \frac{\left\{a_L(a^†)_L,ρ_L\right\}}2\right). $$ The conversions for $a$, $a^†$, $aa^†$ and $a^†a$ are just $$ a_L = a e^{+iωt},\quad (a^†)_L = a^† e^{-iωt},\quad (aa^†)_L = aa^† = a_L (a^†)_L,\quad (a^†a)_L = a^†a = (a^†)_L a_L. $$ So, the differential equation for observables actually simplifies further to: $$\frac{dρ_L}{dt} = κ\left(a^†ρ_La - \frac{\left\{aa^†,ρ_L\right\}}2\right).$$

Shifting to a different "now" $t_0$ will add in phase factors $a_L → a_L e^{-iωt_0}$ and $(a^†)_L → (a^†)_L e^{+iωt_0}$ and effectively just time-shift the Lindblad states $ρ_L$, since the differential equation is symmetric under time translation.

The nuanced distinction between the Schrödinger, Lindblad and Heisenberg Pictures is masked by your example, because you only had a non-unitary part for $𝔏$ to your time evolution equation and no unitary part for $H$.

Further elaboration on the discussion here and a more generalized treatment, can be found in the subsequent reply.

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  • $\begingroup$ It is correct that you can define a dynamical picture where the CCRs are preserved. However, the Heisenberg picture is just as valid, and claiming OP "worked out the commutator wrong" is not correct. $\endgroup$
    – Noiralef
    Commented Nov 5 at 0:16
  • $\begingroup$ "However, the Heisenberg picture is just as valid" - in which $[a,a^†]_H = 1$ ... "and [proving] OP 'worked out the commutator wrong' is not correct" is wrong, as you can clearly see. The Heisenberg picture version of $[a,a^†]$ is not $[a_H,(a^†)_H]$ precisely because products are not preserved. In general, $[A,B]_H = (AB)_H - (BA)_H$, not $[A_H,B_H]$ - and that's what was worked out wrong. So, your reply is wrong and "However, the Heisenberg picture is just as valid" irrelevant, since $[a, a^†] = 1$ in all three pictures presented. $\endgroup$
    – NinjaDarth
    Commented Nov 5 at 20:59
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    $\begingroup$ I think the real challenge, as you noted in your follow-up remark, will be threading in the classical part of Oppenheim's hybrid dynamics, if you wish to apply it to his "Post-Quantum Gravity" framework and give full realization to the "Block Time Space-Time moving in Flow Time" idea. I'm still not clear on what he's doing on the classical side, nor on how he's mashing up the classical and quantum part of the dynamics, but it looks like analogues of the three Pictures will have to be laid out on the classical side, first. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 5 at 23:36
  • $\begingroup$ Of course, $[a, a^\dagger]_H \neq [a_H, a^\dagger_H]$. And OP worked out $[a_H, a^\dagger_H]$ correctly. I don't know what you mean by the expression "the Heisenberg picture version of $[a, a^\dagger]$", but the commutator of the Heisenberg picture operators is $[a_H, a^\dagger_H]$. In $[a, a^\dagger]_H$ you take the commutator of the Schrödinger picture operators. (Though it is noteworthy that constants don't evolve in the Heisenberg picture, since $\mathcal L^\dagger$ is unital). $\endgroup$
    – Noiralef
    Commented Nov 6 at 0:57

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