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Let's assume a general spherically symmetric spacetime. The metric is $$\mathrm{d}s^2=-Bc^2 \mathrm{d}t^2+A \mathrm{d}r^2+r^2 \mathrm{d}\Omega.$$

and a spherical volume in that metric will be calculated with $$V = 4\pi\int_0^Rr^2\sqrt{|A|}\ \mathrm{d}r.$$

Therefore, it should be possible to construct a theoretical metric which is infinite in extension ($R$ can take every, arbitrarily large value) — but finite in volume. One only has to "tune" the curvature parameter A such that $\sqrt{|A|}$ decreases at least with $1/r^3$ for the integral to converge.

Is there any mistake in this reasoning (especially in GR) or is it therefore correct to say that it is possible to construct a metric in GR which leads to a finite volume with infinite extension?

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  • $\begingroup$ The volume formula stems from another question: physics.stackexchange.com/q/680076 $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 1, 2022 at 19:12
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    $\begingroup$ No need for the GR machinery, just look at Gabriel's Horn to see that it is possible. It is nonetheless easy to construct the metric for the plain Horn. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 1, 2022 at 19:18
  • $\begingroup$ The question is dedicated to GR, whether there something speaks agains such a construction $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 1, 2022 at 20:06

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Is there any mistake in this reasoning (especially in GR) or is it therefore correct to say that it is possible to construct a metric in GR which leads to a finite volume with infinite extension?

It is possible but only in the universe with negative masses.

In case of static spherically symmetric spacetime filled with matter of density $\rho$ the proper volume reads:

\begin{equation} V(r)=\int_{0}^{r}\tilde{r}^2~\Big(1-\frac{\kappa c^2}{\tilde{r}}\int_{0}^{\tilde{r}}~\rho(x)~x^2~dx\Big)^{-1/2}~d\tilde{r} \tag{1}, ~~~~~\kappa\equiv \frac{8\pi G}{c^4} \end{equation}

The derivative of $V'(r)$ goes asymptotically to zero (constant proper volume) only if the density there is negative and proportional to $r^{-(3+\epsilon)}$ ($\epsilon \geq 0$).

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  • $\begingroup$ Why is "negative density" an evidence for "not possible"? $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 2, 2022 at 19:00
  • $\begingroup$ @BarrielRemoval, negative density means negative energy or negative mass. To my knowledge there is no evidence for such matter in the known universe. $\endgroup$
    – JanG
    Commented Apr 2, 2022 at 19:12
  • $\begingroup$ No evidence yet, but its existence is discussed: ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2018A%26A...620A..92F/abstract $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 2, 2022 at 20:36
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    $\begingroup$ @BarrierRemoval, no compromises, I have corrected my answer. $\endgroup$
    – JanG
    Commented Apr 3, 2022 at 7:38
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    $\begingroup$ Negative energy means negative mass. But maybe you mean something else. See ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20200000366/downloads/… . $\endgroup$
    – JanG
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What you say is correct, but it's also not really meaningful. Whether the coordinate description is bounded or not can be changed arbitrarily, the physically meaningful distinction is whether the manifold itself has a finite volume or not.

Consider a 1D manifold with a finite volume: $x \in (-1, 1)$ with the Euclidean metric. Now, let us map this to $y \in (-\infty, \infty)$: we can do so with the inverse hyperbolic tangent, $y = \tanh^{-1}{x}$. This manifold will have a nontrivial metric $g_{yy} = (\mathrm{d}x / \mathrm{d}y)^2 = (1 - \tanh^2y)^2$, but the total volume must be unchanged: indeed, $\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \sqrt{g_{yy}} \mathrm{d}y = 2 = \int_{-1}^{1} \mathrm{d} x$.

We now have a manifold with finite volume and two equivalent coordinate descriptions, one bounded and the other unbounded. I hope this illustrates the fact that the boundedness of coordinates is not physical, it's just an artifact of how we describe the manifold.

For a GR example (of the inverse of what you say) see Penrose diagrams: they can represent an unbounded spacetime with bounded coordinates.

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  • $\begingroup$ I do not mean to find a cool way playing around with coordinates that the thing looks infinite as the way of the runner fighting against the turtle in the example of archimedes. I meant that it is infinite independent of coordinates. - - You can find infinite coordinates if something is finite, you proved with your example. - - - However, is it possible to find finite coordinates for something which is infinite? It isn't. - - - The manifold itself is meant to be infinite in extension but finite in volume. - The description with A and B is meant to find the simplest, plain, coordinates $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 3, 2022 at 4:25
  • $\begingroup$ Got to correct a mistake: The story was told by Zenon of Elea and the runner was Achilles. $\endgroup$ Commented Apr 14, 2022 at 9:51

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