# The location of the exact center of the observable universe

If simultaneously in every direction, I were to precisely measure the distance to the edge of the observable universe (not: the physical universe), then would I find myself exactly in the center with zero error tolerance? Would it make a difference if I were accelerated in relation to some point in the universe, to nearly the speed of light?

• If the big bang is true and given special relativity, every location in the universe would observe that it is at the center, making this measurement impossible. Jan 21 at 18:12
• Related: physics.stackexchange.com/a/63780/123208 "The edge of the observable universe is receding from us with a recession velocity of more than 3 times the speed of light, 3.18c, to be exact". Jan 21 at 19:44
• I happen to be typing this from the exact center of the observable universe. Jan 21 at 19:49
• @Qmechanic I don't think your suggested dupe target is relevant. I'm pretty sure that Caleb understands that an observer at any point in the universe can consider themself to be the centre of the observable universe. This question is asking about how precisely equal are the distances to the edge of the observable, in all directions (relative to an observer on or near Earth). Jan 21 at 20:14
• There are problems with the use of Special Relativity (rather than GR) regarding observability, and some of those problems vary with the cosmological model. See Davis & Lineweavers' "Expanding confusion", available free online. (Their diagrams, verbiage, & math are very widely accepted.) Jan 23 at 21:01

At the time I wrote this answer, other answers are pointing out that the universe has no unique centre, but I take it that you know this and you are asking about something else. I think you are asking about how the observable universe relates to the entire cosmos (which we cannot observe in full), and whether it depends on your state of motion.

The "observable universe" is usually defined to be those physical things (such as galaxies) whose worldlines intersect the past light cone of whichever observer is concerned. By this definition each observer is located at the centre of what the "observable universe" is for them. Observers located sufficiently far apart will have different past light cones and therefore they find different parts of the entire cosmos to be observable. (This statement assumes that the entire cosmos is larger than the part observable by anyone; this is not necessarily the case but it's a reasonable starting-point for thinking about cosmology and it seems likely to be correct.)

You are located at the centre of your observable universe and I am located at the centre of mine.

The question asks whether if you had a different motion the observable universe (for you) would be a different part of the entire cosmos. The answer is no, because your past light cone does not depend on your state of motion. However, by moving fast you can begin to explore different parts of the cosmos, and as you move your past cone moves. So after moving fast for a while your observable universe will then be a different part of the cosmos from what your observable universe is today.

• Your observable universe will be a different part of the cosmos after moving fast for a while. But unless you move faster than light your previous location in spacetime will be within your new past light cone, and thus anything in your old past light cone will also be in your new past light cone, and thus at least potentially observable. Is that reasoning correct?
– Ben
Jan 23 at 2:04
• @Ben I think so. When you approach light speed your trajectory becomes parallel to one line on the cone, which is the path of light having originated from just-still-observable locations on the surface of your original light cone; so the entire original cone is contained within the new cone. The light from those edge locations simply travels on with you, so to speak. Jan 23 at 10:35
• @Ben Yes: the later light cone for any given observer includes previous light cones inside it (because observers have timelike worldlines). But by moving relative to whatever place you would be at if you had not moved, you come into the future light cones of a different set of ancient events than what the set would have been if you had not moved. So in the future your observable universe will include all of what it is today, plus some more, and the extra bit depends on how you move between now and that future moment. Jan 23 at 15:01
• I think this answer accomodates one of the oddest parts of Davis & Lineweavers' conclusions: Light from a galaxy that had left the space which now contains our past light cone may have re-entered it later, so that we may see images of galaxies that no longer exist as such, and we may even begin to see them only after their disintegration. The CMB changes, slowly, because the speed of light is a physical limit on the relative motion of particles (including those in our "Hubble sphere"), but not a physical limit on the rate of spatial expansion. Jan 23 at 21:58

Yes, by definition you are exactly at the center of your observable universe with zero error. Note though that this center is a few miles different from the center of my observable universe.

Actually, we make the measurement you suggest, at least, sort of. By measuring the Cosmic Microwave Background, we do observe light from all directions that was emitted at the same time.

(That itself does not strictly mean that it has traveled the same distance, but in our standard cosmological model those two notions are the same; in any case I believe the spirit of the question does not care about that subtlety)

What we find is that the CMB is not the same in all directions, but that there is a strong dipole. That is, after you subtract the average CMB temperature and make a all-sky map of the residual, this is what it looks like (in Galactic coordinates, image from the COBE satellite):

The standard explanation is that this dipole comes from the fact that with our Earth we do have a significant proper motion through the universe, which causes this observed Doppler shift.

Now your question can be rephrased: If you measure the proper motion of Earth through the background-averaged universe in some other way, then you can calculate the expected dipole on the CMB from the corresponding Doppler shift. What I am asserting is that that calculated dipole is exactly what we observe, or in other words, that the proper motion in your thought experiment actually exists, but has no effect on the (inferable) isotropy of the observable universe. Thus, "yes" is the answer to your first question, "no" to the second.

Curiously and interestingly though, we actually don't know that for a fact yet! See this paper for details, together with the prediction that upcoming observations with SKA will be able to confirm this prediction, and with it, our standard cosmological model. I'll pick up my beer for this answer once SKA publishes that result ;)

Take an ideal balloon,before inflating it,its center , at (0,0,0) and all its pre-inflation mass sitting there(thought experiment) . Inflate it at (0,0,0) to a spherical surface , an ideal sphere at a radius r. All points on the surface were at (0,0,0) at time 0 before inflating the balloon. There is no center on the surface of the balloon, all points are equivalent.

It is the two dimensional analogue of the Big Bang model, the current model of cosmology, which is in three space dimensions and one time dimension, expressed in four vectors. . The hypothesis that the universe started expanding 13.8 billion years ago from a singularity fits well enough all the observations at present and so , all present points of the universe were at that original expansion point and can be considered the center of the observable universe.

Edit after comment:

If simultaneously in every direction, I were to precisely measure the distance to the edge of the observable universe (not: the physical universe)

As there is no single edge on the balloon analogy, every two dimensional observer would measure the same distance on the surface of its observable universe (whatever the observer's instruments would be). In an analogous way because all our present points were at the Big Bang point (assuming the model is reliable) there would be no edge to be found beyond what our instruments sensitivity would allow.With the same instruments the same distance would be measured from all points of our observable universe.

Would it make a difference if I were accelerated in relation to some point in the universe, to nearly the speed of light?

As long as Lorentz transformation are found to hold strictly in our observable universe, no.

• The question is about the observable universe. Not about the whole universe. Jan 21 at 21:53
• I like your analogy with the surface of uninflated balloon. Jan 21 at 22:32
• @fishinear I have edited Jan 22 at 5:02

Anna V is exactly right. Here is another way of thinking about this which might be of some additional help.

If the big bang is true (lots of evidence indicates it is) but the universe did have a center, then that point would represent the point of origin of the big bang. This means that instead of originating out beyond the farthest galaxies we can detect in all directions, the cosmic microwave background would appear to emanate from that one point (or from a region in space that is as big as the universe was when recombination occurred).

This means that when looking in that special direction, we would be looking into our past- and when looking away from that direction, we would see no microwave background, because that's not where the microwaves would be coming from.

Now, how could we prove that the universe had a center, and then locate it in space? One way as you suggest would be to measure the distance out to the "edge" (whatever that would be) in all directions, and then use geometry to determine where the actual center was.

But another way to do that would be to have a magic wand which would tell us how fast we were moving relative to the center, and then point that in all different directions. These different directions would then all point toward the true center of the universe, which would by the way coincide with the microwave source I described above.

But alas, special relativity rules out the existence of any such device that would let us determine whether we are standing still relative to some moving object, or if it is standing still and it is we who are moving relative to it.

• The question is about the observable universe. Not about the whole universe. Jan 21 at 21:54

If the universe is infinite in extent then there can be no centre of the observable region from Earth nor a centre of the entire universe.

If the universe is finite, spherical and expanding equally in all directions then there can theoretically be a centre of the entire universe but not a centre of the observable region from Earth.

• The observable region is finite anyways, whether or not the total universe is infinite. Why can't be there a centre for it? Jan 22 at 2:31
• The observable region from Earth is not the same as the observable region from any other location in the universe. Every point in the observable universe can be considered to be the centre of the observable region. The only theoretical exception to that would be a hypothetical point from which the boundary of the universe can be determined and this does not seem possible. Jan 22 at 8:07