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A pulley having some mass has a massless string around it, with two unequal masses at the end of the string. Sufficient friction is present between pulley and the string such that the string does not slip on the pulley .

The tensions in the massless string on the two sides of pulley will be same or different?

According to me the tensions on the two sides should be different so as to provide a net torque to the pulley .But what I have learned till now is that the tension in a massless string is same throughout.

Let the tensions on the two sides of the string be $T_1$ and $T_2$.

Writing equation for rotational motion of pulley we have (T1-T2)R = Ia

Since the pulley has non zero moment of inertia and angular acceleration ,T1 WILL NOT BE EQUAL TO T2.

I am having difficulty in understanding that how can a massless string have different tensions.

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Usually, to simplify things, the pulleys are assumed to be massless/frictionless.

In this case, if the tensions were different. we would have a net torque. However, I=0 so this is impossible without a persistent infinite angular acceleration (which is also not possible). So we take the tensions to be the same.

Similarly, in the frictionless case, there is no way for the string to transmit torque, and different tensions must result in a nonzero torque, so the tensions can't be different.

You are correct in saying that a pulley with mass will make the string have different tensions. In this case, we can use the net force on the pulley and its angular acceleration (which can be calculated from constraints) to form another equation to account for the extra variable introduced.

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    $\begingroup$ @Vibhor: What do I reply to? You haven't asked anything. $\endgroup$ – Manishearth Jun 14 '13 at 11:17
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    $\begingroup$ @Vibhor: Go deeper. Include the pulley as well, analyse the situation when the pulley is and isn't massless and try to make the tensions inequal in both. It won't work for a massless pulley. (And I'm not going to check your work for you :/) $\endgroup$ – Manishearth Jun 14 '13 at 11:43
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    $\begingroup$ @Vibhor: I do want to help. However, I'm not going to do your work for you. And as a moderator I am supposed to enforce the rules, which I did pretty quickly. $\endgroup$ – Manishearth Jun 14 '13 at 11:54
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    $\begingroup$ @Vibhor: Go up three comments. I checked your work, and told you what to do next. Thing is, if I keep doing that, you'll never understand the concept here, not properly. Basically I was asking you to experiment with the system. It's not entirely a "fixed path" where I can check which track you're on. You will understand the concept automatically if you do this for a while. (Also, I remember being in your shoes a few years ago; and experimenting with the system is where I got my conceptual understanding from) $\endgroup$ – Manishearth Jun 14 '13 at 12:01
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    $\begingroup$ There's a big difference between helping and spoonfeeding. I didn't want to do the latter; as in the long run it doesn't help. $\endgroup$ – Manishearth Jun 14 '13 at 12:02

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