# Would we even notice the merger with the Andromeda Galaxy?

I have read this question:

When galaxies collide it is not that their stars crash into each other, because their individual cross-sections are extremely small when compared to the space between them. This is dealt with in qualitative terms on the Wikipedia page on the likely collision.

What will happen to the Earth when Milky Way and Andromeda merge?

And this one:

All that being said, the effect would be order of magnitude smaller than the type of seismic events that happen on a daily basis, and would not pose any sort of threat to anything on Earth.

Andromeda & Milky Way Merger: Gravitational Waves

The first one says that the stars (solar systems) will hardly collide with each other. Now the second one says that the gravitational waves from the merger of the central black holes would be hardly detectable.

So basically, when this merger happens, assuming humanity is still here, and the Earth is still intact, would we even notice the merger? As far as I understand, the black holes would merge in seconds, but I do not know how long the full merger of the galaxies would last. Would we just simply see more stars moving fast in the night sky?

Would we even notice the merger with the Andromeda Galaxy?

• What do you mean by "notice" here? Our descendants could certainly see in the sky that Andromeda is no longer far away. Does that not qualify as "notice"? Jul 3, 2021 at 23:34
• @ACuriousMind: I think your comment was already covered (at least in spirit) by the OP's question "Would we just simply see more stars moving fast in the night sky?". I take this to mean (somewhat more generally) that the stars we see in the sky don't count as "noticing" for this question. Jul 3, 2021 at 23:38
• I would think each generation of humans during the merger will (probably) notice no change (without instruments) between the sky at night when they were young and when they are old (unless an unlikely collision "nearby" livens things up). Jul 3, 2021 at 23:41
• BTW, the Earth won't be habitable by the time the merger commences (unless we move it), and the full merger will take a long time. See physics.stackexchange.com/q/574376/123208 & astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/38552/16685 Jul 4, 2021 at 4:48
• The actual merger of the central black holes is quick, but it takes quite a while for them to make the final approach. See astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/32622/16685 There are also several questions on this site about this "final parsec" problem. Jul 4, 2021 at 5:11

The merger would be indirectly noticeable due to a dramatic burst of star formation and supernovas. The gas of the two galaxies will meet at high velocity, clump, and produce new stars. Some will be very heavy and bright, resulting in supernovas and gamma ray bursts: the merged galaxy may become a bit too risky for planet-bound civilizations dependent on an ozone layer. This is amplified by the possibility of gas accretion on the central black holes producing a luminous active galactic core. In the end these processes will tend to blow away much of the gas and end star formation, leaving us with a big elliptical galaxy.

Obviously the process itself stretches over hundreds of million years from start to finish of the final merge, so there would never be anything moving dramatically. The night sky would just keep on getting more complex and rich until the merger winds down.

A civilization observing the stars would likely figure out what is going on, especially by comparing to other galactic mergers.

• The full merger of Andromeda and the Milky Way wil actually take of order 10-20 billion years according to simulations I've seen. It is now likely that it will be a glancing collision. Jul 4, 2021 at 7:25
• Could gamma ray bursts annihilate the earth Jul 4, 2021 at 19:44
• @theonlygusti - GRBs don't annihilate planets, they just fry them with a lot of gamma rays that disrupt the biosphere (mostly by ozone depletion and nitrogen oxide deposition in the atmosphere rather than direct irradiation). Jul 4, 2021 at 22:00
• I'm not sure there even will be a big burst of star formation. I know I've read at least one merger prediction that estimated that the remaining levels of gas in both galaxies will be so low by the time they begin interacting that star formation will have largely stopped and the result will be more like when two elliptical galaxies merge. Jul 6, 2021 at 12:08
• @DanIsFiddlingByFirelight - If you could find that paper I would be delighted! Jul 6, 2021 at 14:06

Most likely nothing special will be seen from Earth within the lifetime of the Sun. The most recent results (see discussion in Will Milky way and Andromeda collide for sure? ) suggests that the Milky Way and Andromeda will have an initial "glancing blow" with a pericentre (i.e. closest approach) of 75 kpc (220,000 light years) about 5 billion years in the future (van der Marel et al. 2019). They will then move apart and then later crash into each other again, before fully merging after about ten billion years in the future, when the Sun has long gone (Schiavi et al. 2020). in other words, the collision is not direct enough for anything spectacular to happen until the Sun has ended its life as a normal star in about 7 billion years time.

The radial extent of the discs of both galaxies is of order 15 kpc, with an exponentially decaying scale length around 3 kpc away from their centres. The Sun is only 8 kpc from the centre of the Milky Way. Hence, if the Milky Way and Andromeda have an initial closest approach of 75 kpc there will actually be very little direct interaction. In particular, there will be no merger of central black holes and no significant gas interactions within the lifetime of the Sun, since the gas is largely confined to a similar radial extent as the stars and the black holes are central.

The Sun itself would not be near the initial interaction region, so any increased star formation, supernovae etc. (which since the gas discs are barely interacting, I think would be modest), would be tens of kpc away. The local stellar density would barely be changed and the night sky would only look different in the sense of the Andromeda galaxy being around 75 kpc away. Astronomers however would be able to identify the Andromedean (?) stellar interlopers because of their strange velocity components (which would not be visible to the naked eye!) and slightly different chemical composition.

Having said all that, the error bars on the tangential relative velocity of the MW and Andromeda are still quite large. So although the above looks to be the most likely scenario, there is still a chance that the collision will be more direct. In which case I point you to Anders Sandberg's answer. Equally, it may still be possible that the interaction is even weaker and the MW and Andromeda will undergo a series of distant passes before merging on timescales of 50 billion years (Schiavi et al. 2020).

Small update:

The recent work of Salomon et al. (2021) updates the tangential relative velocity of Andromeda to $$80 \pm 38$$ km/s, a little bigger, but consistent with the $$57 \pm 33$$ km/s quoted by van der Marel et al. (2019).

A new paper by Schiavi et al. (2020) investigates the timing of the merger as a function of tangential velocity. For $$v_t = 57$$ km/s they find that the first closest approach takes place in 4.3 billion years at a pericentre of 50-100 kpc, depending on the density of the intergalactic medium, and the final merger takes place in 10 billion years - when the Sun will be a fading white dwarf.

The time of first close approach is only weakly dependent on the assumed value of $$v_t$$, but the time to merger is very dependent on $$v_t$$. Roughly, $$\tau_{\rm merger} \propto v_t^5$$ if there is no intergalactic medium, but is speeded up somewhat (unspecified in the paper, but seems to be doubled to 20 billion years for $$v_t=92$$ km/s from Fig.6 in the paper) by more realistic values.

The paper also shows that after the merger, the central black holes will coalesce on timescales of tens of million of years.

A further possibility, discussed by van der Marel et al. (2012) using $$v_t = 30$$ km/s (which is still within the bounds of possibility) has the merger at 6.5 billion years (when the Sun will still exist as a red giant). The merger has a $$\sim 85$$ per cent chance of making the Sun migrate to a larger radius from the merged galaxy centre. However, this would happen on long enough timescales that this isn't something that one would "notice" happening. But it is clear that the appearance of our galaxy would change from our present view of the Milky Way.

In addition to the other answers, here is an illustration showing how the collision might look like as seen from earth:

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This series of photo illustrations shows the predicted merger between our Milky Way galaxy and the neighboring Andromeda galaxy.

First Row, Left: Present day.

First Row, Right: In 2 billion years the disk of the approaching Andromeda galaxy is noticeably larger.

Second Row, Left: In 3.75 billion years Andromeda fills the field of view.

Second Row, Right: In 3.85 billion years the sky is ablaze with new star formation.

Third Row, Left: In 3.9 billion years, star formation continues.

Third Row, Right: In 4 billion years Andromeda is tidally stretched and the Milky Way becomes warped.

Fourth Row, Left: In 5.1 billion years the cores of the Milky Way and Andromeda appear as a pair of bright lobes.

Fourth Row, Right: In 7 billion years the merged galaxies form a huge elliptical galaxy, its bright core dominating the nighttime sky.

So, as already said in other answers, one can surely see a difference to our current night sky though the changes happen on extremely large timescales.

• Not sure how accurate, but pretty. :) Jul 7, 2021 at 4:02

The Andromeda galaxy is now approaching us at $$110$$ km/s. Do you notice anything? No. It takes millions of years for the position to change noticeably.

It will be the same when the collision occurs. Our galaxy is somewhere around $$1000$$ light years thick. Since the Andromeda galaxy is traveling at about $$10^{-3}$$ c, it would take about a million years to penetrate through our galaxy the thin way.

Would we see the closest Andromeda stars whizzing by? Suppose one approached to about $$1$$ light year away, or $$10^{13}$$ km. At $$110$$ km/s, it would take something like $$10^{10}$$ sec, or $$300$$ years, to change position by 1 degree.

• I’m not quite sure the “you don’t notice anything now so you won’t in the future” argument works. I can’t see the tectonic plates move, but I would notice an earthquake / volcanos etc..
– Tim
Jul 4, 2021 at 13:11
• @Tim The merger will be more analogous to the gradual processes that form mountain ranges, not sudden changes like earthquakes. Jul 4, 2021 at 14:20
• @Barmar That’s a distinction without a difference. The long process of mountain uplift involves lots of deformation and fracture of lots of rock, which manifests as earthquakes. You could get into the weeds about the size and frequency of those earthquakes (as here), but sudden changes are definitely part of the “gradual” mountain-building process.
– rob
Jul 4, 2021 at 22:42