# Is the concept of voltage poorly explained or is it just me?

Ok my cognitive barrier is this: All the videos I watched about "what is voltage" explains it pretty much this way:

So there is an electric field which causes electrically charged objects experience force when put in that electric field. So when you place for example a positively charged object in an electric field, this object will have an electric potential energy. Any two points in the field are associated with electric potential, which is the difference in electric potential energy per unit charge between those two points. This is voltage.

For example: Up to this point - all great. But now they jump to explain that "A battery of - for example, 9V - means that the difference in electric potential between its two terminals is 9 Joules per Coulomb.

I don't quite get how this scenario of 2 charged plates creating a field applies to a battery:

• With the 2 charged plates, we are talking about 2 points in an electric field. If you place a positively (or negatively) charged object in that region, it will experience force hence will have a potential energy. With the battery - you need a conducting material.
• As far as I know (which could be wrong) - in the battery - the two terminals are the positively and negatively charged objects (like the plates), so, they are not comparable with just 2 points in a field created by the two plates...?

I think that basically what I don't understand is how this explanation of voltage with the context of 2 points in a field having a potential difference between them apply to electrical current.

Batteries create a potential difference through chemical reactions inside the battery.

Many chemical compounds are made up of ions, which are groups of atoms which have exchanged some electrons with other groups of atoms. For example in sodium chloride (the "salt" you use in cooking) each sodium atom loses one electron, and each chlorine atom gains one electron. The "salt" made up of sodium and chlorine ions is completely different from a mixture of sodium (which is a soft yellow metal) and chlorine (which is a gas).

The "trick" in constructing a battery is to use chemicals which "want" to react together by exchanging electrons in this way, but to stop them from doing so because of how the battery is physically constructed.

When you connect an electrical circuit to the battery terminals, the chemical reaction can take place, because some electrons are "pushed out" from one terminal of the battery into circuit, and other electrons are "sucked in" from the circuit into the other terminal.

This explains why the battery voltage stays (approximately) constant until all the reacting chemicals inside are "used up" and the reaction stops.

In a rechargeable battery, forcing a current to flow the opposite way reverses the chemical reactions until the battery is "fully charged."

Note, an oversimplified (and wrong) way to think of this is to imagine that individual electrons travel (fast) from one battery terminal all the way round the circuit and into the other terminal. The actual speed of each electron is very slow (only a fraction of a millimeter per second). Think of the external circuit as more like a pipe filled with water. If you "push" a drop of water into one end of the pipe, a drop of water comes out of the other end, but it is not the same drop of water that you pushed in.

• Notice I didn't ask how a battery works. I'm trying to get a conceptual idea of how the concept of voltage as explained in most videos is applied in a battery. Jun 8, 2021 at 21:19
• Sorry, but I don't see how you can "get a conceptual idea" of how a battery creates a voltage except by understanding what is going on inside it. If you think it would be more useful to get a conceptual idea by first learning quantum mechanics to understand the concept of "chemistry" in terms of the behaviour of subatomic particles, that is outside the scope of an answer here IMO. Feel free to downvote the answer if you don't think it is useful, though. Jun 8, 2021 at 21:25

With the battery - you need a conducting material.

For a charged particle to feel a force? Nope, you dont. There's still an E field inside the battery just like in your picture above when there's no conducting material attached.

When you attach a conducting material though, charges will get pushed through it. Those charges obviously have their own E fields, and that's what creates the E field inside the wire - the battery itself isn't sending electric field through the wire.

Alephzero explained the battery quite well, so I will try to add to this answer by connecting the idea of your two charged plates to the idea of a battery.

Notice that the definition of voltage does not depend on the distance between the plates. The definition of voltage says that if a specific charge travels from one plate to the other, then it will have gained or lost a certain amount of energy (the direction in which it gains/loses energy depending on the sign of the charge). This is independent of how it got there, although it may lose some of it on its way depending on how it gets from one plate to the other. All of this is because the two plates have different electric potential, and this difference defines voltage.

Now consider bringing the two charged plates very close to each other, but in a way that they cannot exchange any charges. (You can for example imagine that both plates are only separated by a very small isolator.) The voltage between the plates will be the same, but there is no space left where you could 'put' a charge so, due to the potential difference, it freely travels through air from one plate to the other. If you now connect the two plates via a conducting wire, charges will immediately travel through the wire and the voltage/potential difference will vanish. This is what happens for example if you touch a radiator after accidentally charging yourself on a carpet. What a battery can do, and what makes electric current possible, is that a battery can maintain the potential difference/voltage even when charges travel through the conducting wire for a significant amount of time.

• what confuses me is: Is voltage a difference in electric potential between two points in a field, or between two charged objects creating a field? Jun 8, 2021 at 21:47
• so basically is it correct to say that a current is the discharge of static electricity? So a current flowing between two ends of a battery is a continuous process of what happens to me when I get zapped from static electricity? Jun 8, 2021 at 21:50
• Both. Since voltage always compares electric potential, the first thing you mentioned is the voltage between the two points in a field, and the second one is the voltage between the two charged objects. Note that if you move the plate, the electric field between the two plates changes, while the electric potential difference (voltage) between the plates stays the same. Jun 8, 2021 at 21:52
• I am not sure if it useful to speak of current as "discharge of static electricity". Electrodynamics and Electrostatics are two different things. Current happens when a potential is maintained, even when charges flow. So yes, if you lick a battery and not back up, you will continuously be zapped, which is not possible when touching a radiator while charged. Jun 8, 2021 at 21:55
• I didn't quite get what you tried to convey by saying that the definition of voltage doesn't depend on the distance between the plates. I also didn't get what you tried to convey with the simulation of bringing the plates close so that you can't' stick a charge in between. "due to the potential difference, it freely travles through air" - what travels? Jun 8, 2021 at 22:01

Imagine a point charge Q. It exerts a force F on the other charged particles. If you want to bring a charge q from a long distance (infinity) to a certain point in space, you need to do a finite work to overcome the force created by the charge Q. This work is called the electric potential energy of Q and q. It is proportional to the charge q that you’re moving, so the greater q, the more work you have to do, because then it is repelled or attracted stronger to the Q. And the work that you have to do to bring a charge to a certain point per that charge q is called potential at that point, so it is only dependent of Q, not q. Voltage is simply the potential difference between to points, or, in other words, the work per charge that you have to do to bring a charge from one terminal to the other. If you’re dealing with a charged object, then the potential at a certain point in space is the sum of the potentials that exist due to the force exerted by each small charge in that object. In the batteries there are indeed plates. And each of them is charged (+ and -). In the case of two parallel plates, the force exerted on charges between them appears to be constant through that region. So what does 9V battery stand for? Well, as F=const, we simply have V=Fd/q, where d is the distance between the plates. So 9V means that if there’s say 1mm between the plates, the ratio F/q (it’s electric field E actually) is 90000N/C or 90000V/m. (sorry for mistakes in my writing, I’m sure there’re plenty).