# Why can't we use $P=VI$ in some cases?

Here is one example of a situation wherein one can't use the relation $$P=VI$$:

The supply voltage to a room is 120V. The resistance of the lead wires is 6 Ohms. A 60W bulb is already switched on. What is the decrease of voltage across the bulb when a 240W heater is connected in parallel with the bulb?

So, I know how to solve this using P=V^2/R, but I don't understand why we can't use P=VI for the same. Why can't we?

• What makes you think you can't use $P=VI$? Mar 5, 2021 at 14:48
• As far as I can see there's nothing wrong with the formula. Sure, you can't use it because you don't have one of the involved parameters. That doesn't mean that the formula won't work, just that you aren't able to use it just yet. If you find the missing parameter - the current $I$ - then there should be no problem in using the formula. Mar 5, 2021 at 15:09
• I thought we couldn't because when applying P=VI for the bulb before the heater is connected, I didn't understand what V should be in the equation 60=VI - since V is the potential drop across the bulb, and the potential drop due to the lead wire is unknown. Mar 5, 2021 at 18:14

You can. 1/total resistance = 1/resistance 1 + 1/resistance 2 You can work out the total resistance, and therefore the total current. and you can work out the power from there. You need to understand the basics of parallel circuits

I know how to solve this using P=V²/R, but I don't understand why we can't use P=VI for the same. Why can't we?

TL;DR - there is an unstated assumption in the exercise that the resistance of the loads is constant.

For a device, the power stated is given at its nominal voltage, so P=VI would give you the current at the full 120V. For passive loads, if the supply voltage drops, the current goes down and the power goes down more.

For the heater and bulb, the exercise probably expects you to assume the resistance is constant, because they don't tell you anything about them. In reality, the operating resistance of the bulb and heater at a lower voltage than nominal will not be the same as at their nominal voltage because the power is less, so operating temperature is less, and temperature affects the resistance (by something like 7% between cold and nominal operating temperature).

Also we have to assume the loads are passive - nether the heater nor the bulb have any feedback to keep it emitting the same power if the supply changes. Non-dimmable LED bulbs will try to maintain the same current - and hence brightness - if the voltage changes. Many heaters have a thermostat so average the same power output over several minutes if the voltage changes as they maintain the same temperature; if the question mentioned these cases then P would be the constant and you would be using P=IV all the way. A good answer should mention the assumptions being made.

You can either substitute I=V/R into P=VI, giving you your P=V²/R which gives you R=V²/P, nominal resistance of the loads from nominal power at specified voltage, or do it in two steps to get the current at specified voltage and nominal power then I=V/R for the nominal resistance.

You could also approximate and assume that the current through the loads is the same as when the loads are at nominal power and voltage, and I=P_nominal/V_nominal .

Using P=VI this way is usually good enough for the real world - a 60W load is 0.5A, a 240W load 2A, so you want a wire which can carry 2.5A without dropping too much voltage. 2.5A through 6R gives 15V. That's more of a drop than you would tolerate in reality, and the approximation is worse the more the drop is. But the approximation is good enough if you're adding up the load on an extension lead or a housing circuit, as you would size the wire for only a few percent drop.

For passive loads, this error would mean you overestimate the current so it is a safe approximation. For something like a switched mode supply for a servo motor, the motor has the same power requirement whatever the input to the supply, so the supply has feedback to draw more current given a lower input voltage, and it wouldn't be a safe approximation - you'd have to solve a quadratic if you have a fixed power load fed by a fixed wire resistance ( V_load * I = P_load; V_load + I × R_wire = V_supply => V_load + P_load/V_load × R_wire = V_supply ).

Anyway, you shouldn't connect heaters to lighting circuits, and the I you get from P_nominal = V_nominal × I_nominial isn't the same value that would be in the lead wires because of the voltage drop, so applying P=VI when none of the terms are fixed doesn't give you anything useful.

• This was really helpful. Thank you for your time! Mar 5, 2021 at 18:09

You can always use $$P=VI$$ for purely resistive circuits or purely dc steady state circuits.

$$P=I^{2}R$$

From Ohms law

$$R=V/I$$

Thus

$$P=I^{2}(V/I)=VI$$

For AC circuits involving capacitance and/or inductance along with resistance, $$VI$$ is sometimes referred to apparent power. To determine the real power $$P$$ (watts) dissipated in the resistance of the circuit you need the phase angle between the voltage and current.

Hope this helps.