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I often notice small patches of snow that remain on the ground in seemingly random locations, many days or even weeks after all other snow in an area has melted, and even when temperatures have been well above freezing for some time. What makes these particular patches of snow so resistant to melting and how do they "choose" to remain in one spot and not another seemingly identical spot nearby?

More detail about my question:

I'm not asking why snow takes a long time to melt in general (I've seen this). I'm asking how it's possible that the conditions would be sufficient to cause almost all snow to melt, but yet a few random patches (the "survivors") are able to escape the fate of the other snow for so long.

These are some possibilities that come to mind:

  1. Maybe the snow has been melting at a steady pace since the last snowfall and I'm just witnessing the end of that process (i.e. yesterday there was more snow on the ground, now there only are a few patches that I'm seeing, and tomorrow there will be none). But this doesn't match my admittedly nonscientific observation of the phenomenon. I've seen it happen that most of the snow will melt in a short time, perhaps a day or two after the last snowfall, except for a few patches that get "stuck." These patches remain in the same state (not melting further) over a much longer timespan. I've been startled by these lingering snow patches even when the weather has gotten warm enough that I'm no longer wearing my winter jacket.

  2. Maybe the lingering snow is in a shady spot. But no, it's not always in a shady spot.

  3. Maybe the lingering snow is in a wind shadow. But often I can't see any obstacles or other features on the ground that would create a wind shadow in that one spot.

  4. Maybe there's something underneath the snow that makes that portion of the ground especially cold. Do ground temperatures really differ so much on a foot to foot basis?

  5. Maybe there was a rapid melting event several days or weeks ago, but temperatures dropped before the melting finished. With subsequent freezes, the few lingering patches of snow became denser and more resistant to melting? So the remaining snow now has a different consistency and it won't melt even in the same conditions that melted the rest of the snow?

  6. [Added in response to comment from rob.] Maybe the lingering snow is from a large pile (for example, a pile made by a snow plow). Quite possible, but I've definitely seen this phenomenon in the woods and other places where there are no plows or other reasons for a disproportionately large pile to form. And while I'd expect that a large snow pile would last longer than a thin layer of snow, it seems counter-intuitive that a three or four foot pile could last for weeks in conditions that have been sufficient to melt all the other snow (not saying it's impossible, just that I find it counter-intuitive).

These are a few examples spotted in the Boston area on Jan 15, 2021. They are not representative of all cases, they're just the images I have available now. Boston had some light snow on Jan 5. There's been sun and rain since then, temps have reached the low 40s, and most of the ground has been clear for days. The question about these snow patches: why there? And why not a foot to the left, or a foot to the right?

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Added Jan 18, 2021: Here is an example of lingering snow patches at the Agassiz Rock site in Manchester-by-the-Sea, MA. I hiked for several hours there today and saw no snow anywhere until I suddenly encountered these few patches. They are on the north side of a hill, on a leafy surface, and likely have good protection from sun and wind. But there's plenty of other leafy ground on north side of the hill where snow would presumably experience the same favorable conditions. So it strikes me as odd that there aren't patches of snow scattered around the area; instead, everything has melted except these few survivors in the picture. Why not them too? The ground is not wet in a way that would suggest that all the other snow had just recently melted. One could speculate that these patches are remnants of a large pile, but there are no plows here; if a large pile formed naturally in this spot, one might expect that the same conditions that formed it would have formed at least a few other piles at the same time, with their own lingering patches, but there are no other lingering patches to be seen.

Lingering snow patches at Agassiz Rock, Jan 18, 2021

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    $\begingroup$ This may be rather fluid dynamics, rather than thermodynamics problem. I mean that it is likely that the remaining patches of snow were originally large heaps, usually blown by wind (or created by humans). Another contributing effect is the very high albedo of pure snow, which conserves it quite long even in warm spring sunlight. $\endgroup$
    – dominecf
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    $\begingroup$ You might have noticed that lakes and other bodies of water aren't frozen in the morning just because overnight it got down to 30 F or even 0 F. It takes days to weeks of consistent very cold temperatures to create even a thin layer of ice on top of a lake. Likewise, you can't expect a 40 F day to melt all snow, or even a week of days with highs in the 40s, depending on how deep the deepest snow is. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 18, 2021 at 4:32
  • $\begingroup$ One thing I noticed, at least in the cities, is that these remaining patches (which can indeed stay around for WEEKS after the rest of the snow has melted) tend to be quite dirty. Perhaps the dirt layer acts as some sort of insulation? $\endgroup$
    – Vilx-
    Commented Jan 19, 2021 at 11:40
  • $\begingroup$ It's nothing more than that they are in hollows or depressions (as in every single photo example) $\endgroup$
    – Fattie
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    $\begingroup$ @Vilx- The dirt is just a byproduct of the fact that the snow has been put in large piles and compressed. Plowed snow tends to be both dirty and tightly packed, but its longevity is related to the packing, not the dirtiness. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 19, 2021 at 18:41

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A hidden assumption is that all of your remnant piles start with the same amount of snow. However your first photo seems to be adjacent to, and parallel to, a roadway. You mention you’re in Boston, which has an army of plows which remove fresh snow from the roads and pile it nearby. Snow which has been piled, or otherwise compactified, has less air in the space between the ice crystals and therefore a larger heat capacity than an equal volume of loose, powdery snow. A common example of this is that a snowman will generally take much longer to melt than the snow on the ground around him.

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    $\begingroup$ Thanks for this answer. I have edited the question to acknowledge this possibility while also saying that I've seen lingering snow in the woods and other places with no plows. About the snowman: I'd expect him to take longer to melt than the surrounding snow, but would be surprised if parts of him lasted for many days or weeks after everything else had melted. $\endgroup$
    – user3091
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    $\begingroup$ then you'd be surprised. build a snowman and see for yourself $\endgroup$
    – amara
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    $\begingroup$ Despite the albedo of snow, the amount of sunlight that snow is in also has a strong effect on how quickly it melts. In addition to the roadside photo, I notice the remaining snow in the other two photos appears to be in the shade. So it's a combination of factors. A high enough pile in the sun will take a long time to melt, and a smaller pile in the shade will take a long time. One thing that I've noticed in the 45 or so years that I've lived in a place that gets snow pretty much every year is that the melting time is not linear with pile height. It's more geometric or exponential. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 18, 2021 at 4:04
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    $\begingroup$ Depends on how magical the hat you put on the snowman is. $\endgroup$ Commented Jan 18, 2021 at 5:59
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    $\begingroup$ In a sub-Arctic town I used to live, all the snow was piled into a big pit the edge of town. In some years that pile was not fully melted by the end of summer, so if they keep that up for long enough, they'll be building a glacier :) $\endgroup$
    – gerrit
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I doubt that there is a single reason. Many particular combinations of factors may result in differences between the melting rate and the quantity left over at some time (which depends on both melting rate and initial amount). Melting rate depends on the nature of the soil underneath as well as the insolation of the area. Shadowy spots tend to keep snow for longer, as you see in the forests in spring. And in the cities of curse that the huge piles produced by the snow removing teams will take much longer to melt than the snow I did not shovel from my driveway. But even on the driveway, it goes in a spotty pattern. Underground pipes and tubes and electric cables may have some part in it too.

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    – gerrit
    Commented Jan 18, 2021 at 10:03
  • $\begingroup$ You probably wanted to say "insolation", but snow is also a very good insulator, so a large pile will usually contain a lot of well-insulated snow which does not melt until the snow on top of it has melted. $\endgroup$
    – JohnEye
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    – nasu
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There are a number of reasons and the pictures handily show three of them

  1. A snowplow probably left this (originally bigger of course)

  2. A person might have shoveled this (same as above)

  3. Shady

The main thing is that there are many different reasons. Your desire to find the one true reason will not work. Your list of multiple reasons is great and they all seem perfectly valid to me. The snow -> Ice freezing overnight and changing its composition is my favorite explanation for patches seeming to hang on and linger longer than expected based on the thaw of what was still snow in original snow state around it. i.e. snow melts fast and snow that has turned to ice later melts slower.

One example why this is complicated: What if a spot is only shady in the morning... and three days in a row the morning is sunny and the afternoons are shady? Another might be: two equally wooded patches but one faces south (no snow) and the other faces north (has snow). These are some of hundreds of examples. Weather is rather complicated :)

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  • $\begingroup$ These are all valid reasons. A few others are 1. the surface below the snow e.g. stone or other surfaces that are heated by UV rays from the sun. 2. Wind will cause drifts or otherwise cause snow depth to be uneven without plowing or other direct human interaction. The last picture shows snow in depressions. The wind can flatten the top of the snow surface. $\endgroup$
    – JimmyJames
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I'm not a physicist (I'm a chemical and software engineer), but I did grow up in Montreal before moving to the Rhode Island riviera in my 30s and Texas in my 40s.

There are a few reasons for this.

  1. Sometimes it's as simple as minor changes in the ground under the snow. In very cold places (like Montreal), the ground freezes during the winter. Small changes in topography can affect water flow on the ground and consequently the ground's warming. Sometimes you can see where a pipe runs under the ground in the way the snow is melting on the ground. Note that your first picture is in a drainage area

  2. A very small change in the sunlight can affect snow melt greatly in the spring. I've seen this with as little shade as you might get from a telephone pole. The second picture has the ground under the shade of an evergreen. Your third is very likely on a north (or northeast) facing slope.

  3. The packed-ness of the snow greatly affects melting. That first picture is the result of a snowplow leaving a pile behind. As noted by others, packed snow melts slower.

  4. The dirtiness of the snow affects melting. Initially, dirty snow melts a little quicker (the dirt is more black and much less reflective than the snow). As you watch dirty snow melt, you will see some weird macro crystalline structures form with large (maybe 5mm) clumps of dirt no the top. If you have enough black crud, though, the dirt ends up insulating the snow.

  5. If an area is prone to winds, the snow will melt quicker (well, it will sublimate). On a sunny windy day in the spring, you can see the snow drop quite a bit without as much water run-off as you'd expect. Again, topography can affect this (the effect is noticeably hyper local). You'll see evidence of sublimation on a bright spring windy day, even in the temperature remains around -5 deg C.

In Montreal, the snow is not simply plowed. In urban areas, it is gathered and hauled away (google for "Montreal Snow Removal"). The hauled away snow is put into huge mountains of snow, and left to melt over the summer (for example, https://i.cbc.ca/1.4579048.1521203738!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_780/snow-removal-montreal-theimens-depot-feb-2018.jpg). If you drive by one of those mountains around Labour Day, you'll still see the dregs of the snow, but it will be covered with a crust of dirt, insulating it from the sun.

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  • $\begingroup$ A really informative answer. Trust a Canadian to know this topic! :) $\endgroup$
    – Fattie
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  • $\begingroup$ One other thing that I learned from years of shoveling driveways. By the time the spring rolls around, your driveway often has 3 to 4 inches (7-10 cm) of ice caked on it. If you cut a few holes through the ice here and there, the sun will warm up the driveway melting the the bottom of the ice around the holes, leaving a half-inch (1 cm) overhang (give or take). If you go out each day and snap off those ledges and clear the ice, the holes grow rather substantially each day. $\endgroup$
    – Flydog57
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One way or another this phenomenon must involve the thermal mass of the ground.

About thermal mass:
When air temperature drops below freezing any snow that falls will be melted due to the ground being above freezing temperature. It's only after air temperature has been below freezing for a prolonged time that the ground itself goes below freezing. (And that's only the top layer. House foundations must reach to a depth below the level were frost is expected to reach, which in most regions is not more than a couple of feet.)

Conversely, once the temperature of the ground is below freezing that low temperature lingers on long after air temperatures have risen above freezing again.


When air temperatures rises above freezing my guess is that it becomes a matter of how much the thermal mass of the ground can delay being warmed up again.

It would appear that for some reason some patches of ground resist that rewarming better than others. Once that is the case the snow itself will tend to reinforce that delay. The snow reflects much of the sunlight, and the snow layer acts as an insulator.

So my hypothesis is that only a small difference in thermal capacity can be enough for snow on top of that particular patch of ground to linger much, much longer.

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We can easily see one major factor: Snow in a sunny spot will melt before snow in places that get little or no direct sunlight during the day. Even a thin layer of snow under a copse of trees can take much longer to melt than snow that gets direct sunlight for several hours a day.

The second major factor is less obvious but seems to have a more dramatic effect. Depending on what you have at home for making ice, you might be able to perform an experiment related to the second factor at home. In short, a mass of shaved ice will melt faster than the same mass of small cubes which will melt faster than the same mass of large cubes which will melt faster than the same mass of a large single block of ice. I'm sure one factor is the increased surface area that the smaller pieces of ice have relative to the large block.

When snow is piled high, it melts more slowly per unit of mass than snow spread thinly. The ratio of surface area to mass of frozen water is surely a factor.

Another factor that one can soon see by looking at many many snowfalls over several decades is the surface that the snow is on. Blacktop pavement melts snow that is on it relatively quickly. Concrete is the next quickest common surface. Wood decking also contributes to snow melting faster. The snow that takes the longest to melt is invariably on earth with a cover of grass or dead leaves. If the earth is frozen before the snow falls, it may be that the snow itself insulates the earth from thawing even when the earth nearby has warmed up after its thinner snow cover has melted. It stands to reason that frozen earth conducts heat much more poorly than blacktop pavement.

I don't know how many anecdotes combined together become more like a long-term experiment and less like anecdotal evidence, but I've been fascinated with the behavior of melting snow for 30+ years and I've noticed a few patterns related to this question.

It seems to me that the effect of piling up snow on the melting time isn't linear, it's more like geometric or possibly exponential. If I had to guess, I'd guess geometric. But another thing that definitely seems to be true is that there's a tipping point. Suppose a thin layer of snow melts in time $t$. Then let us say a layer twice as thick takes time $2.2t$ to melt. There seems to be way to pile snow (most often seen in corners where plows make the highest piles) where the snow pile takes time $20t$ to $50t$ or more. As in, the unplowed snow on the sidewalk might melt in the afternoon sun the day after the snow fell, but the 3+ foot pile of snow banked up by snow plows at a corner of a parking lot might still be there (often slowly reduced down to a very small amount) in early April!

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When I was growing up, there was a parking lot nearby which plowed all its snow into one place. If someone unfamiliar with the area drove by, they would have asked "why is there a little of pile of snow next to the highway in May?" I would have known that there had been a massive pile in February that still hadn't melted. If it has been a few warm days since snowfall, I would say that piles of snow is your likely reason; if not, a combination of piles and factors like shade that result in uneven snow temperatures.

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I think the steps of the events is the following:

  1. Snow falls, we are below $0^\circ\rm C$, it remains as it is.
  2. Temperature goes above $0^\circ\rm C$, snow starts to melt. Melting is slow, because we are only a little bit above $0^\circ\rm C$, furthermore there are some variation in the temperature, depending on the shadows, wind speed, etc. Furthermore, snow is a very good temperature insulator.
  3. Temperature goes below $0^\circ\rm C$ again.
  4. Patches remain until we are not again above $0^\circ\rm C$ enough long.

The melting temperature can differ a little bit from $0^\circ\rm C$ due to the contaminants in the ice (they typically decrease the melting point), particularly if it was melt, contaminated and then frozen again.

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  • $\begingroup$ You are forgetting sublimation. You can get this on a sunny, windy day, even if the temperature is below 0. Remember, the triple point of water is 0, as a result, the temperature of the air right at the surface of the snow on all but the coldest days is likely to be zero (there's moisture in the air, so the surface snow/air mixture wants to get to equilibrium). Normally, this amounts to nothing (equilibrium and all that). But, on a windy day, that water vapor at the triple point is blown away, only to be replace by more air trying to get to equilibrium. Suddenly sublimation seems important $\endgroup$
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