# Pressure inside when a container is closed

Let us suppose that there is a container with its lid open sitting at the bottom of an ocean. The pressure at the bottom of the container will depend on the water column above it assuming only static pressure. Now if I close the lid of the container will the pressure at the bottom of the container reduce? I think it will because the height of the water column has been reduced. The lid supports almost all the weight of the water column above it. I know it's a stupid question but I don't know where I am wrong. Am I missing something?! Sorry for the bad drawing. P is the required pressure near the bottom of the container after closing the lid. Assume that the pressure is only due to the weight of the water column.

• When you say that lid supports all the weight you forget that now that whole weight acts on the column below so the wait does not change and not the pressure.
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Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 18:33
• The molecules of the water above the kid are bombarding it and the lid communicates that pressure to the water inside the container which then communicates it ti the bottom and the situation is just like the original.
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Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 18:34
• Ok so the whole weight now acts on the lid so how does the pressure gets transferred inside as there are no holes are gaps. Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 18:36
• If you keep a book on top of a table ...is the combined weight of the table and the book not increased on the floor?
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Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 18:37
• The lid is not cancelling out the weight as you think.
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Commented Dec 19, 2020 at 18:37

We often simplify the pressure at the bottom of a (dense) fluid to be $$P = \rho g h$$. But this is only the additional pressure at the bottom due to the fluid. If there is pressure at the top of the fluid, that is added in as well.

So the pressure at the bottom is $$P_{bottom} = \rho gh + P_{top}$$

When you close the lid, the column of fluid in the box is shorter, but the pressure applied to the top of the column is increased due to the rigidity of the lid. The pressure at the bottom remains unchanged.

• Ok now i got it. Can the spring model for the water molecules described here (physics.stackexchange.com/questions/312119/…) explain this too? Commented Dec 22, 2020 at 9:40
• Sure. At the beginning the springs are compressed by the weight of the water. When you close the lid, the lid keeps them compressed. If you take the water off the top (lift the container out of the water), then the pressure inside remains the same due to the lid. Commented Dec 22, 2020 at 20:47
• Thanks for the amazing answer. Commented Dec 23, 2020 at 11:16
• @BowlofRed. I was thinking on the same lines as your answer but I was confused regarding something. If the lid is completely rigid and supported by the walls connected to the ocean bed then the weight gets transferred to the ocean bed and hence the pressure. How does it add to the inside bottom of the container?. Note here that I do agree that the pressure will get added but I am disagreeing on the point where it gets added.
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Commented Dec 25, 2020 at 14:35
• If the container is closed, there is no path to the ocean bed, just to the other walls (including the floor). Commented Dec 25, 2020 at 16:55

When you attach the lid the pressure above and below it is the same, it's in equilibrium. The pressure inside the container doesn't change when the lid is attached. Yes, the water column above the base of the container has been reduced in size but the top of that small container-sized column is at high pressure, it's not at surface pressure.

The answer depends on the type of lid.

For an ideally rigid lid, the weight of all the water above it will be transferred to the floor, through the container. So, the pressure at the bottom of the container will be the same as what it would have been, if the container were outside water.

For an ideally elastic lid, the pressure will completely be transferred into the container, and the pressure at the bottom of the container will be same as that outside the container, at the same depth.

For real container in between the above two cases, the pressure will be intermediate of the above two, based on how much is transferred through the lid, and how much is tranferred throught the container.

Now if I close the lid of the container will the pressure at the bottom of the container reduce?

You can think of this another way. Imagine that you are sitting at your desk and you have an empty plastic water bottle. What do you think will happen when you close the lid? If your answer is nothing then you are correct! Because if the pressure inside reduces when you close the lid, the bottle will crumple. The fact that nothing happens means that the pressure inside the bottle remained the same when you closed the lid.

The same logic applies when you do this experiment under water.