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I have a hard time combining two topics that are often discussed in physics in a coherent way.

In a lot of Introduction to particle physics-classes one will hear about "multiplets", which often are represented as in done in the left figure. On the other hand, if one attends a class on the Classification of compact simple Lie algebras one will eventually stumble across weight and weight-spaces and notice that the weight-space of $(n,n)$ irreps of $\mathfrak{su}(3,\mathbb{C})$ takes the form presented in the right figure (where the size of the shape increases with increasing $n$).

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My issue is that I have a hard time seeing the connection here. Of course, these two shapes look the same, but beyond that:

  • Why $\mathfrak{su}(3,\mathbb{C})$ and not any other Lie algebra?
  • How do we know how to label the axes, i.e. the two of the simple roots here get the physical meaning (strangeness and charge). How do we know this? Why do we ignore the third simple root?
  • How do we know which particle to assign to which position in this graph? I mean, we measure the properties of the particles in collider experiments, i.e. we know charge, strangeness, mass, etc. but how do we know in which representation these particles "live"?
  • And lastly, what exactly does it even mean to say that a particle "lives" in a representation?

If a single answer does not provide enough space for a complete treatment, I am more than happy to accept recommendations for a nice explanation. If possible, please make sure that the answer approaches the problem from a mathematical side, i.e. rather understanding the mathematics of how this assignment happens, etc. is also important to me.

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    $\begingroup$ Many of the questions you are asking are a plea for a review of the eightfold way scheme for 3 light quarks ie classification of hadrons in terms of irreducible representations of SU(3). As you understand it lives on a hexagonal lattice with Isospin interchanging u,d, U-spin interchanging d,s, and V-spin interchanging u,s quarks, the fundamental ire of the group. Composing fundamentals, you get all other representations. Your question is impossibly broad. $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 24, 2020 at 22:01
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    $\begingroup$ Why do we ignore the third simple root? Why do you think that $\mathfrak{su}(3,\mathbb{C})$ has three simple roots? $\endgroup$
    – G. Smith
    Commented Nov 25, 2020 at 0:14
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    $\begingroup$ Why $\mathfrak{su}(3)$ and not any other Lie algebra? Because it fits our experimental observations $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 25, 2020 at 2:49
  • $\begingroup$ @Sito I recommend the book "Aspects of Symmetry" by Sidney Coleman. He starts the book with a discussion of group theory and which Lie groups might be possible. I have a feeling this will go a long way to providing a more satisfying answer than "because it is." $\endgroup$ Commented Nov 25, 2020 at 19:43
  • $\begingroup$ Not strictly Related : (1) How to understand the makeup of neutral pi and eta mesons?. (2) What is the symmetry of the pion triplet ( π−,π0,π+ )?. (3) Symmetry in terms of matrices. $\endgroup$
    – Voulkos
    Commented Aug 8, 2021 at 10:02

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This is a long comment :

Physics is about observing nature and using mathematical models to fit the observed data and also choose models that predict new observations. It is an ongoing interactive process, data, model, data, correction or new models, data .....

The eightfold way is the history of how quarks were found and a physicist should understand how, from a zoo of particle data one arrived to the quark model and eventually the standard model, which is the one under scrutiny by experiments at present.

That Lie algebras were important for organizing the data was known from nuclear physics days, where isospin SU (2)was developed to describe mathematically how the proton and neutron behaved similarly under the strong nuclear force.

The justification of the eightfold way came with the discovery of the predicted omega particle, the bottom of the baryon decuplet.

Then read on to understand how quarks became important, and how the historical multiplets of the eightfold way are interpreted in the quark model.

Mathematics has a plethora of tools available for modeling physics, the models are picked for fitting the data and being predictive.

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