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Man leaning towards left in a cycle while making a turn

If I cycle and lean to one side (left in this case) while making a turn according to this website, I won't fall because "the frictional force also produces a clockwise torque that will cause the rider and bicycle to tip clockwise to the right.", this seems right.

However in case I'm cycling in a straight line without turning while leaning to the left, in this case as the case before there should be a clockwise torque generated by frictional forces that prevent me from falling however in real life example I see this is not the case and people are falling over, why?

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  • $\begingroup$ Re, "in real life example i see...people are falling over." Say what? Where do you see them doing that. I have never seen a cyclist simply lean to the side and fall over. Every time I have ever seen a cyclist lean, they leaned into a turn, and thus maintained control of the bicycle. I ride a bicycle myself, and I don't think I could even bring myself to lean and fall over without turning. Maybe a child who has not yet learned to ride... I haven't seen that in a long time. $\endgroup$ – Solomon Slow May 9 at 21:34
  • $\begingroup$ You said that you see people doing that in real life. I asked where you see it. I have never seen anybody do that. $\endgroup$ – Solomon Slow May 9 at 21:53
  • $\begingroup$ @Solomon Slow,sorry about my previous comment however beginners pretty much do it at least from where im from. $\endgroup$ – Zheer May 9 at 22:13
  • $\begingroup$ FWIW: scientificamerican.com/article/… $\endgroup$ – Solomon Slow May 10 at 1:09
  • $\begingroup$ Related: Does leaning (banking) help cause turning on a bicycle? $\endgroup$ – Guru Vishnu May 10 at 6:24
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There are actually several questions wrapped up in what you have asked. If you don't mind, I'd like to sort them out, and tidy them up a bit:

  1. Why is it that leaning into a turn while on a bicycle results in the bicycle changing directions rather than falling over. Put another way, why doesn't a bicycle fall over when you lean into a turn while riding.

  2. What's up with people falling over while riding a bicycle, notwithstanding everything that goes on in discussion #1 above.

A bit of a thought experiment will sort all this out:

  1. A person who attempts to lean a bicycle over while the bicycle is stationary will fall over. Most skilled riders will stick their foot out to break the fall, but never mind this. Obviously, leaning into a turn only works when the bicycle is in motion. And the bicycle has to be moving at a certain minimum speed in order for this effect to really work anyway.

  2. A person who leans a moving bicycle over slightly will succeed in turning the bicycle into a new direction of motion rather than tipping over.

these two facts show you that when you lean into a curve on a moving bicycle, one of the forces at work is the gyroscopic action of the moving bicycle wheels. They are turning, and they experience friction and torque (in several directions). But they also have to obey the rules of angular momentum, which ultimately results in the bicycle turning direction rather than falling. A stationary bicycle wheel isn't rotating, and doesn't have the additional rules of angular momentum to deal with.

  1. A person who leans a bicycle over too far will fall (or will need to break their fall somehow) no matter how fast they're going.

  2. Riding a bicycle on wet, slick ice (i.e. a frictionless surface) is bound to fall over sooner or later no matter how good they are.

These two facts show you that friction is at work in a bicycle's behavior, and that the rules of momentum can be overcome by enough torque to the left or right.

Young children and other inexperienced bicycle riders have quite mastered the juggling act of managing friction and angular momentum well enough to avoid situation #3 above, and they fall over sometimes. Wild, raucous maneuvers like I used to do when I was a kid may result in situation #3, or even #4 above :-)

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  • $\begingroup$ The popularity of scooters with 10 cm wheels shows that gyroscopic action does not play a role in stability. $\endgroup$ – hdhondt May 10 at 6:38
  • $\begingroup$ "Why is it that leaning into a turn" well i was looking for the opposite of that(leaning without turning while cycling in a straight line). $\endgroup$ – Zheer May 10 at 13:46
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I guess there is a slight mistake in the diagram.

If the bicycle is not turning, then the friction will because there is no tendancy for relative motion in the horizontal direction (towards the left, that is).

So all that exists is a couple-the Normal force and weight with two different lines of action, hence causing the rider to fall.

In case a force due to friction existed as seen in the figure, the path of the cyclist would obviously curve leftwards- no longer satisfying the straight line condition

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  • $\begingroup$ Relative motion is not necessary for the presence of friction. After all, static friction acts on bodies relatively in rest. $\endgroup$ – Guru Vishnu May 10 at 6:30
  • $\begingroup$ @GuruVishnu, sorry, I meant tendency to cause relative motion $\endgroup$ – Krishna May 10 at 6:36

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