# If liquid and gas are both chaotic states of matter, what's the difference between them on the molecular level?

I'm a laywoman in physics and recently found myself pondering about the matter reflected in the title of this post.

To make my question more precise from the mathematical standpoint, let's suppose you are given a 3D image of the momentary positions of the nuclei of all atoms of an unknown monoatomic substance in a certain volume at a certain moment of time. Rotating the image in a 3D visualization program, you see that the positions look pretty chaotic from any angle, unlike a crystalline structure. You know neither the image's scale nor any of the parameters such as the pressure or temperature. The only information you are given is that the substance is not ionized and is in a thermodynamic equilibrium and either in the liquid state or in the gaseous state and that the pressure and the temperature are below the critical pressure and the critical temperature, respectively. You can extract the numerical XYZ positions and do any calculations with them, but, as stated above, you don't know the scale. How can you tell whether it's a liquid or a gas? What criterion can be used to reach that end?

My first guess was that whilst a gas doesn't have any correlation between the positions, a liquid does, but then I realized it's a wrong answer because a gas is not necessarily an ideal gas, so it's unclear to me how I can tell whether it's a liquid or a gas if there's some correlation between the positions in the image. I tried to find the answer on the Internet and this SE, but did not succeed and humbly hope that physics experts on this SE can tell me the answer.

UPDATE: Sure, the limiting cases of an ideal gas and a tightly packed liquid are easy, but what do I do in the general case? In other words, how can I deduce whether it's a liquid or a gas if the spread of distances between neighboring nuclei is moderate, that is, neither very small nor very large?

• Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. Mar 31, 2020 at 19:52
• Mar 31, 2020 at 22:21
• What is meant by "chaotic"? Random movement? Apr 1, 2020 at 0:08
• You posted a question asking what differences can be observed by looking at a snapshot of a substance, and then posted a bounty asking why there is a phase transition. Those are different question. Perhaps you should post your bounty as a new question. Apr 1, 2020 at 3:42
• @Acccumulation The OP didn't place the bounty. Apr 1, 2020 at 4:21

Everything you've said is correct, which is why the conclusion is: there is no fundamental difference! Under the modern classification, they're just the same fluid phase of matter.

For example, consider the phase diagram of water. If you take water vapor, slowly heat it up, then pressurize it, and then slowly cool it down, you'll end up with liquid water. This entire process is completely smooth. There isn't any sharp point, like a phase transition, where the behavior qualitatively changes; thus we can't make a sharp distinction between liquids and gases.

There are fluids that are "liquid-like" (densely packed, strong interactions between neighbors) and fluids that are "gas-like" (sparse, weak interactions between neighbors) but no dividing line, just like how there's no moment where a shade of grey changes from white to black.

By contrast, ice really can be distinguished from liquid water or water vapor. You can't turn either of the two into ice without crossing a phase transition. At that point, the atoms will suddenly become ordered, and you can see this from a snapshot of their positions.

Edit: in response to the 25 comments, I'm not saying there's no difference between liquids and gases, I'm saying that there are clearly liquid-like things, and clearly gas-like things, but a continuous spectrum between them. Here are some properties that characterize gases:

• large distance between molecules
• weak interactions
• large mean free path
• high compressibility
• very low surface tension
• upward density fluctuations at small separation

The opposite properties characterize liquids. In the easy cases, you could use any of these to make the call. But all of these properties change continuously as you go from one to the other, as long as you go around the critical point. This isn't true for a solid/liquid or solid/gas phase transition.

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• Couldn't a similar argument be made for a continuum between liquid and solid for amorphous solids? So your last point would only hold for crystalline solids?
– jkej
Mar 31, 2020 at 15:15
• @jkej I thought about that, but I don't know enough about amorphous solids to make a statement either way. Mar 31, 2020 at 17:02
• I think your answer is incomplete until you discuss the reason for the existence of the phase transition between liquid and gas below the critical point.
– drer
Mar 31, 2020 at 20:28
• Where is "the modern classification" you refer to? The liquid-vapour phase change remains a phase change. The fact that there also exists a smooth route does not deny this. So the conclusion is, I think, that in some cases the distinction between liquid and gas can be made (e.g. based on density and correlation functions), but there are plenty of states where all one can do is say "fluid". Apr 5, 2020 at 11:42

The described measurement would allow you to construct the Radial Distribution Function, the probability of finding another particle a distance r from a reference particle usually given as g(r), which has a unique signature for each phase.

The plot below from https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Molecular_Simulation/Radial_Distribution_Functions shows g(r) for argon in different phases. Argon of course does not have strong interactions you might be tempted to argue this is a trivial case of an ideal gas vs. a close-packed liquid but that would be incorrect. A real gas only has one peak (called a coordination sphere), while a liquid will have multiple peaks. All of this is very nicely explained in the link above.

Also note in the image provide the x-axis is normalized by $$\sigma$$ which is the molecular diameter meaning that this measurement is scale invariant and satisfies the conditions laid out in the question.

EDIT:

In response to this question about the phase transition there certainly is a phase transition between liquid and gas and the mechanism is nicely described and modeled in the link in the comments from @EricTowers, http://rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/lectures/liqsolns/liquids.html, a quote from there referencing a applet that lets the user play around with different conditions in a molecular dynamics simulation, which is used to model these systems.

"(iv) With the density at its minimum lower the temperature and you will see that the atoms start to form small clusters (this takes some time). On the limited scale of the simulation this is condensation to form drops of liquid. It makes it clear that the attractive forces are responsible for the formation of the liquid state. "

This plainly describes the process of the transition, in this case, from gas to liquid. The transition occurs when the thermal energy in the molecules can no longer overcome the inter-molecular forces and the molecules begin to 'stick' together, condensing. To go from liquid to gas, the opposite happens and the thermal energy is sufficiently high that the inter-molecular forces cannot make the particles stick together. This is the reason for the bumps in the graph shown in the answer, and why gases have one coordination sphere that decays as a function of distance. The details of the gas radial distribution function tell you about the inter-molecular forces but there is no sticking, so there is only one bump.

• Much more text and graphs on this subject: rkt.chem.ox.ac.uk/lectures/liqsolns/liquids.html Mar 30, 2020 at 15:36
• This is probably the best answer since it shows the distinction quantitatively, but I would suggest making the discussion better geared to the level of the original question. Mar 31, 2020 at 0:20
• @Mitsuko, yes in general this is the case. I will not speak with such certainty to say 'NEVER', and 'ALWAYS' because there possibly exists some fringe case somewhere I am not aware of but in general yes this is precisely the way the difference between a gas and liquid is distinguished experimentally so almost by definition this holds for all gases and liquids.
– JJR4
Mar 31, 2020 at 18:19
• A different state of matter, but a supercritical fluid can show radial distribution functions that are either liquid-like or gas-like. In other words, your snapshot could be of a supercritical fluid, not a liquid or a gas, and the RDF would tell you incorrectly that you have a liquid or a gas, but you in fact have a supercritical fluid. See for example researchgate.net/publication/… Mar 31, 2020 at 19:54
• Good point @ManuelFortin, although in the question it is specifically stated the material is below the critical point in both pressure and temperature.
– JJR4
Mar 31, 2020 at 19:57

In a gas the molecules move separately. In a liquid they cling together due to van der Waals forces which are strong enough that the vibrating molecules do not completely separate.

• I think Van der Waals forces are more tangential to liquids rather than being a defining feature. Van der Waals interactions are among the more prominent forces acting on liquids, but it is not the force that causes a liquid to not become a solid or a gas. It is even easy to imagine a liquid without Van der Waals interactions; it would behave approximately like a liquid as we know them today, minus the surface tension and with a slightly lower boiling point. Mar 30, 2020 at 15:47
• Even liquid helium has Van der Waals forces, no prmanent dipoles, just a statistical thing. I think of evaporation as the molecule achieving escape energy from the Van der Waals forces Apr 2, 2020 at 7:38
• There are liquids made of molecules or atoms which do not interact with van der Waals forces at all. Therefore, any explanation of the differences between liquids and gases cannot be based on a specifiv force model. Apr 2, 2020 at 22:25

It is an interesting question which has an answer but it is not a simple answer for at least three important reasons. The first one is that, in order to provide a precise answer, one should know quit well the progresses made in the physics of the liquid state in the last half century, which have not fully percolated into university textbooks but are still scattered in many specialistic papers. The second reason is that dust has not completely settled on this issue. The third one has to do with he issue of separating theoretical arguments and their practical usability.

Let me start from a brief summary of the simplest well known things which are in part present in some of the answers you already got.

1. Although, below the critical point, liquid and gas are separated by a first order phase transition, this transition line ends at the critical point and it is possible to go from states at different densities below and above the coexisting densities at subcritical temperatures, just choosing a path ‘circumnavigating’ the critical point, without crossing the first order line. This implies the possibility of a continuous transition from “liquid-like” to “gas-like” states and the continuity implies that there is no point where it is possible to put a sharp border between gas and liquid. That’s fine from the thermodynamic point of view, but does not answer the question which is more related to the possibility of establishing a structural difference between liquid and gas compatible with the unambiguous classification of the states close to the liquid-gas transition line.

In a way, the key problem is to identify a sharp structural characterization, compatible with the cases where thermodynamics is able to provide a simple classification, although no sharp boundary can be found on purely thermodynamic ground.

2. JJR4’s answer also contains some key ingredient of a modern answer to your question, i.e. emphasizing structural features able to characterize the difference between liquid and gas (at least below the critical point. The weak points of his argument are that it is too much bound to the case of rare gases (insisting on the single peak) and that his picture it is clear for states significantly below the critical point, leaving some doubts about the extent of the phase space region where such a structural criterion could be used.
3. The usual way of identifying a phase by using only physical quantities at one thermodynamic state is the introduction of the so-called order parameter, i.e. a quantity which is zero in one phase and different from zero in the target phase. While in cases like the fluid-solid transition the solid can be clearly identified in many ways by measuring quantities in one phase, for example looking for the presence of at least two non zero elastic constants, the usual order parameter of the gas-liquid transition is proportional to $$\rho_l - \rho_g$$, i.e. is not a one-phase quantity.

Now, let’s list a few less-well-known facts emerging from research in liquid state theory more up-to-date than the knowledge available at the end of the fifties, which is more or less what is usually present in textbooks, with a few exceptions.

Already in the sixties it was experimentally identified a sharp region of anomalies in some physical quantities (Rahman spectra, maximum of constant pressure specific heat,…) in the density-temperature plane, nicely corresponding to a continuous extension of the so called coexistence line diameter, i.e. the line made by the middle of segments joining points on the coexistence line at the same temperature. Research in this direction has continued until recently and theoretical ad experimental work is still in progress. During the years, it has been realized that there are qualitative differences of physical behavior which depend on, but do not coincide with the thermodynamic conceptual separation between liquid and gas. This is a first important point to grasp.

A few candidates for separating liquid-like vs gas-like behavior have emerged ( see this wikipedia page for a short reference): the Widom line is the above mentioned line of anomalies. Another line, the Fisher-Widom line, separates the region of asymptotic exponential decay of the pair correlation function from an an asymptotic oscillating exponential decay. And finally, the Frenkel line, more based on dynamical evidence (it can be defined as the line separating monotonic and non-monotonic decay of the velocity autocorrelation function with time).

The reason I am speaking of “candidates” is because the existing experimental evidence is not comprehensive enough to allow a sound generalization to every possible case of liquid-gas transition. However, evidence is accumulating and a few facts have emerged.

Most of the best indicator to differentiate liquid- vs gas-like behavior are dynamical quantities (see a recent paper), thus not suitable to answer the original question. However, there is one method which is directly connected to a purely structural criterion, giving theoretical support to an improvement of the suggestion of looking for a second maximum of the $$g(r)$$. It is connected to the above mentioned Fisher-Widom (FW) line. Therefore, it is somewhat related to the appearance of a second peak of the radial correlation function although it is not coinciding with that.

The best available evidence shows that the original FW criterion is only approximate and it fails if the range of interaction is not finite. A study by Vega et al. where a long range smooth cut-off of the Lennard-Jones potential was progressively pushed toward larger distances showed that the FW lines moves into unphysical regions. However looking at the $$g(r)$$ at intermediate distances larger than the first peak position but not beyond the cut-off point, the presence of oscillatory behavior or not could be a satisfactory indicator of liquid-like or gas-like behavior.

In the following figure, adapted from Fig. 7 in the Vega et al. paper, the intermediate range behavior of the pair correlation function $$h(r)=g(r)-1$$ (actually the of $$log(r h(r))$$) has been plotted, for a liquid-like state (full curve) ad a gas-like (dahed line) state. The arrow shows the position of the cut-off distance beyond which the pair potential is exactly zero. It is clear that both curves do not show any oscillating asymptotic behavior, but intermediate range oscillations are clearly visible in the case of the full line curve.

At the present day this is the best criterion based only on structural information I could advise.

Of course, it is not perfect, and, if data are available, I would rather recommend criteria based on characterization of dynamic quantities, like in the case of the Frenkel line. However, I notice that, even if approximate, a criterion based on intermediate distances behavior has some practical advantage on those based on asymptotic analysis. First of all it does not require difficult extrapolations and it is less affected by the unavoidable numerical noise of experimental or simulation data. Moreover it is less depending on asymptotic features of the interaction potential which are difficult to assess experimentally.

In conclusion, I would summarize the main points which can be extracted from the last 50 years of research in liquid state.

1. Thermodynamic distinction between liquid and solid is only one possible criterion, but it is not telling the whole story about qualitative differences of behavior of fluid systems in the thermodynamic phase space.
2. Alternative characterizations of the behavior which we name liquid-like or gas-like behavior exist and are subject of current research effort in the field. Although such methods have been mainly used to characterize super-critical states, they provide a sound base to identify good candidates for one-phase order parameter differentiating liquid and gas below the critical point.
3. Static structural information, as represented by the pair correlation function may not be the best indicator to use as a one-phase order parameter, but some approximate method could be based on the intermediate range behavior of $$g(r)$$ (oscillating or not).
4. A final word of caution should be said to avoid to use any of such criteria too close to the critical point. There, the physics is dominated by critical phenomena and the neighborhood of the critical point should be treated in a a completely different way. In that case I would hesitate to distinguish between liquid-like and gas-like behavior.
• +1, very nice answer displaying great expertise! Personally, I think this is the unambiguous best answer. Apr 6, 2020 at 17:25

I will try answer your question in the Landau paradigm of phase transition. I follow the beautiful Lectures on Statistical Field Theory by David Tong. See section 4.1.

Phases of matter are characterised by symmetry. More precisely, phases of matter are characterised by two symmetry groups. The first, which we will call G, is the symmetry enjoyed by the free energy of the system. The second, which we call H, is the symmetry of the ground state.

Example 1:

The simplest illustration is the Ising model without a magnetic field. The free energy has a $$G = Z_2$$ symmetry. In the high temperature, disordered phase this symmetry is unbroken; here $$H = Z_2$$ also. In contrast, in the low temperature ordered phase, the symmetry is spontaneously broken as the system must choose one of two ground states; here H = ∅. The two different phases – ordered and disordered – are characterised by different choices for H.

Example 2:

In contrast, when $$B\neq0$$ the free energy does not have a $$Z_2$$ symmetry, so G = ∅. According to Landau’s criterion, this means that there is only a single phase. Indeed, by going to temperatures $$T > T_c$$, it is possible to move from any point in the phase diagram to any other point without passing through a phase transition, so there is no preferred way to carve the phase diagram into different regions. However, this also means that, by varying B at low temperatures $$T < T_c$$, we can have a first order phase transition between two states which actually lie in the same phase. This can also be understood on symmetry grounds because the first order transition does not occur at a generic point of the phase diagram, but instead only when G is enhanced to $$Z_2$$. Example 3:

The discussion carries over identically to any system which lies in the Ising universality class, including the liquid-gas system. This leaves us with the slightly disconcerting idea that a liquid and gas actually describe the same phase of matter. As with the Ising model, by taking a path through high pressures and temperatures one can always convert one smoothly into the other, which means that any attempt to label points in the phase diagram as “liquid” or “gas” will necessarily involve a degree of arbitrariness.

It is really only possible to unambiguously distinguish a liquid from a gas when we sit on the line of first order phase transitions. Here there is an emergent $$G = Z_2$$ symmetry, which is spontaneously broken to H = ∅, and the two states of matter – liquid and gas – are two different ground states of the system. In everyday life, we sit much closer to the line of first order transitions than to the critical point, so feel comfortable extending this definition of “liquid” and “gas” into other regimes of the phase diagram, as shown in the figure. So to conclude, there is no differences between a liquid and a gas. One can distinguish between them only when a first-order phase transition occur. But you can easily distinguish solid state from gas/liquid due to differences in symmetry.

• "H = ∅" and "G = ∅" don't make sense: empty set isn't a group (see this post for the why). You must have meant the trivial group $E$ instead of the empty set. Mar 31, 2020 at 21:49
• This notations means that ground state haven't any symmetries. It really may lead to some confusion, but I believe, that meaning of notation is clear from answer. Mar 31, 2020 at 22:59
• Here I think the differences between example 2 and 3 are really instructive. In example 2 it is really clear what symmetry is being broken by the phase transition, and it is very clear how you can approach the transition so the symmetry is spontaneously broken (B=0, lower T). In example 3, the symmetry is less obvious, which is precisely the point. As this author points out: the difference between the liquid and gas is only obvious when you are near the line of the first order transition and there is a sudden change in density between them. Apr 3, 2020 at 6:22
• @taciteloquence , yes, exactly. To understand better similarity of Ising model and water, you can reformulate Ising model as lattice gas. See for example 1.2.4 in Tong lectures, cited in my answer. Apr 3, 2020 at 10:04

Let’s try a simpler, less technical answer. Molecules do attract each other. That is what makes a solid a solid.

In a gas these attractive forces are weak enough to let the sample spread, while in a liquid there is enough attraction between all molecules involved, that the whole remains cohesive, even if individual molecules fly by each other.

• Yes, but that doesn't explain why there is a phase transition between liquid and gaseous. Mar 30, 2020 at 14:39
• the phase transition is between the ensamble remaining cohesive vs spreading out. Since I aimed for a non-technical answer, and the question is not about why there is a phase transition, I stand by my answer :) Mar 31, 2020 at 6:29
• @leftaroundabout I feel like instead of posting a bounty asking a different question, you should have just posted a new question. Apr 1, 2020 at 4:24
• @AaronStevens I brought up the phase transition because knzhou's top-voted answer boils down (no pun intended) to saying the question doesn't make sense on the grounds that, by going above the critical point, one can transition smoothly between liquid and gaseous without any phase transition. The fact that there is a phase transition is certainly what makes the study of, well, phases interesting. And, well, there is one between liquid and gaseous. Apr 1, 2020 at 12:04
• "Molecules do attract each other. That is what makes a solid a solid." Absolutely not. With computer simulation methods it is possible to study purely repulsive interaction models like Hard Sphere systems. They have a well defined fluid-solid phase transition under pressure. Attraction is not necessary to get a solid. Apr 2, 2020 at 22:34

In principle only: we have an 3D image of

• position of nuclei of a unknown monatomic gas or liquid,
• in thermodynamic equilibrium, temp and pressure below critical point,
• no scale, no pressure, no temperature, no velocities.

In a monatomic liquid, the atoms (and therefore nuclei) are approximately the same distance apart (kind of "touching"), but in a gas there would be a significant spread of distances between the atoms. You could use this to make a reasonable guess as to whether you have a liquid or gas.

• Is there any way to put this in the form of a strict universal mathematical criterion valid for any monoatomic substance and any pressure and temperature below the critical pressure and critical temperature, respectively? How can I judge if the spread of distances is moderate, that is, neither very small nor very large? Sure, the limiting cases of an ideal gas and a tightly packed liquid are obvious, but what do I do in the general case? Mar 29, 2020 at 1:22
• The answer to your question is “no”. No such universal mathematical criterion exists because no such physical distinction exists: it is often the case that a gas and liquid can be transformed into each other without going through a phase transition. Mar 29, 2020 at 3:56
• @BobJacobsen Is it really accurate to say that no such physical distinction exists? The Mojave Desert doesn't have a border, but that doesn't mean that there's no distinction between points inside it and points outside of it. Likewise, surely we could say that, I don't know, a fluid is a gas if it approximately obeys the ideal gas law, and a liquid if it is much less compressible than the ideal gas law states. Mar 29, 2020 at 13:02
• @Mitsuko is looking for a “strict universal mathematical criteria”. Can you imagine such a thing that says 1cm to the left is Mojave Desert and 1cm to the right is not? Phase transitions (I.e. freezing) are like that, but there’s often not a phase transition required between gas and liquid Mar 29, 2020 at 15:42

What you are looking for is the 3-dimensional Voronoi diagram. I am not a physicist, but it is obvious to me as a mathematician that a liquid will have a very different distribution of Voronoi cell volumes compared to a gas, at any single point in time. I guess it should be easy for you to run some simulations to find out what the distribution should look like in each case. And then you can apply statistical tools to determine which is a better fit for any given data set.

How can you tell whether it's a liquid or a gas? What criterion can be used to reach that end?

The criterion you are looking for is the magnitude of the density. That is the order parameter in this case. At some point in the phase diagram the density will change by a large amount, which indicates a phase transition. If the change would be discontinuously you would talk about a first order phase transition. The whole situation is very analogous to the situation of an Ising magnet.

Of course the system needs to have a reasonable size to make statements about quantities like this. If there are only a few molecules you won't be able to assign a definitive phase to them. Read about Mean Field Theory, Ginzburg Landau Theory, Spontaneous Symmetry Breaking,... A great reference is the book by Goldenfeld.

I will start from JJR4's nice answer. In addition to these nice charts - argon phases can be quantified a bit more. The radial distribution function relates local density to bulk density:

$$g(r) = \frac{\rho(r)} {\rho_{bulk}}$$

For argon, the local density can be modeled with the Sinc() function for positive

$$x$$, $$\rho(r) \propto \frac {\sin(k \cdot r)}{r}$$

The $$k$$ coefficient can be thought as materials particles' ability to form periodic structures.

Now we can classify phases a bit more easily:

• $$k$$ high $$\to$$ solid
• $$k$$ medium $$\to$$ liquid
• $$k$$ low $$\to$$ gas

If you count the total number of peaks in a given argon $$g(r)$$ RDF function you will see that:

$$k_{\text{solid}} \approx 2\,k_{\text{liquid}} \approx 4\,k_{\text{gas}}$$

So returning back to the question, from the graph of $$g(r)$$ it can be seen that a liquid has low and high particle local density areas, while a gas, has almost uniform local density, i.e. gas molecules shows almost no particle package.

BTW, as many has noticed, three different main material phases does not mean that there can't be more phases; of course there can be. Like super-liquids, plasma (yet another gas type) and many more. This fact can be reflected by the $$k$$ coefficient uniform variation.

I don't think there's a wrong answer here, but I'd like to provide a simple one.

In a gas, thermal noise is the dominating factor governing movement. In a liquid, the dominating factor is the intermolecular forces.

Due to the extremely large number of molecules involved and the central limit theorem, this transition is quite sharp.

If one goes to the extreme, one finds things like supercritical fluids which act like neither gases nor liquids, so it is very reasonable to expect this simple rule to fall apart in the extremes. Indeed, all rules fall apart, which is why we had to create a new name for supercritical fluids and identify their different behaviors.

If one looks at precisely the boiling point of a liquid, one finds that the assumption that everything is homogenous, and thus can be described as "liquid" or "gas" gets murky. All rules fall apart there as well.

In this situation, your best bet to reach an educated conclusion is to estimate the average distance of interparticles in your image and compare it with mean free path for ideal gas, putting in reasonable numbers for temperature and pressure and effective mass/size of molecules for an artificial ideal gas system. By adjusting for different realistic parameters (such as assuming hydrogen, oxygen mass etc) you should have a good grasp on a realistic range of mean free path for a real gas with guidance from an ideal gas system.

The point is that, if your image is a liquid system, the average distance estimated from your image sample should be very different (in of order of magnitude smaller) compared to your rough estimate of the mean free path of your fictitious ideal gas system.

• Neither the scale of the image nor the size of the atom of the substance is known. What you see in the image is just a large number of chaotically distributed points, and you have no idea as to what distance in the real world one centimeter of the image corresponds to. Mar 29, 2020 at 2:07
• The scale and size of the atoms don't matter (because you can give an effective numbers on them), you only need to estimate the average interparticle distance from image. I suppose you know the position of particles at the given moment.
– Neoh
Mar 29, 2020 at 2:34
• Do you mean one order of magnitude? Or several? Mar 29, 2020 at 23:35

The difference is in the level of order. When physicists speak of a solid they mean a crystal, that is a phase of matter characterized by a long-range order: a crystal structure that extends for thousands and thousands of atoms. The atoms in a crystal do move around their positions, but they do not go too far, and this is clearly discernable in diffraction experiments.

Gas is the opposite case: the atoms are sparse, i.e. the distances between them are huge, and they move chaotically and independently on each other.

In a liquid the atoms are sufficiently close to each other that their movement is not independent: displacement of one atom clearly affects the movement of its neighbors, but not the neighbors many thousand inter-atomic distances away. And, unlike in solids, the atoms do not move around fixed positions and with time may travel quite far away.

It is worth noting however that what may appear as a solid to a layperson often happens to be a very slowly moving liquid. Yet, what I said about liquids remains correct, if you observe them for long enough (years or decades).

• I am curious whether it's possible to tell whether it's a liquid or a gas if you are shown a 3D image as described in my post. Is there a definitive criterion that can be used to reach that end? Mar 30, 2020 at 19:07
• Identifying a crystal lattice, i.e. a periodic pattern, in an image is possible using Fourier analysis. The difference between a gas and a liquid is however more qualitative (in terms of image): the inter-atomic/inter-molecular distances in a liquid are of the order of molecules themselves, whereas in gas they are a thousand times bigger. Indeed, transforming gas to a liquid is sometimes just a matter of squeezing it. Mar 30, 2020 at 20:06
• "It is worth noting however that what may appear as a solid to a layperson often happens to be a very slowly moving liquid" Do you have some examples of this? I can't think of many solids which are technically liquids. There's mechanical creep, but as far as I'm aware practically everyone still considers the material a solid in those cases. There's also the often cited example of glass, but it's an amorphous solid, which is still widely considered to be a "solid" as far as I'm aware.
– JMac
Mar 31, 2020 at 0:25
• @JMac this is a good point: I was certainly more concerned with the electronic properties. In my view the distinction between amorphous materials and liquids is a matter of time scale, so they could not be distinguished on a photo. Similar things can be said about glasses. Mar 31, 2020 at 6:38
• I don't think this is quite correct. When physicists speak of a solid, they do not necessarily mean a crystal. There are amorphous solids which are solids lacking the long range order, and these are NOT necessarily liquids, even if you wait thousands of years. Also, atoms do move a lot in solids (and quicker as temperature is higher). Look up "atomic diffusion". The fact that X ray crystallography shows sharps positions for atoms does not mean that they do not move far. They can indeed move quickly enough and replace a neighbor atom without the X-ray diffraction showing up anything about it. Apr 5, 2020 at 12:12

Take the volume of the substance divided by the number of molecules. Now take several regions whose volume is equal to ten times that amount. For each of them, measure the number of molecules inside. Then plot a distribution.

For an ideal gas, the probability of there being a molecule in one region is independent of there being a molecule in an adjacent region. You can get a cluster of lots of molecules, or a large void with no molecules. Because of this, the distribution will be rather wide, with only about a 1/8 chance it'll be exactly ten. For a liquid, however, the presence of a molecule in one location will affect the probability of having one in another location, and the distribution will be tighter, and the peak at ten will be much sharper.

The answer is quantum mechanics (QM) and distance. I will use H2O as an example.

The answer to your question is not surprisingly QM. Liquid H2O has something special between the molecules that gaseous H2O does not have. It is a QM phenomenon, and you can read about it in many ways (van der Waals forces, London forces, and electrostatic forces), but truly it is a QM phenomenon.

The beautiful thing about QM is that there is no difference between the liquid and gaseous H2O molecules themselves. The difference is the force between the molecules (that the molecules only feel at certain distances).

Your question is really: Why is there this force between liquid H20 molecules that gaseous H2O molecules do not have (actually they have it but they are too far apart to feel it)? The answer is distance. Do molecules of liquid repel or attract each other?

Now you have to bring these gaseous H2O molecules close together to reach a limit, and when that happens, you trigger QM, and a new QM connection phenomenon is made between the molecules that is attractive at certain distances.

How can you reach that triggering distance? You need pressure. As soon as you add enough pressure to gaseous H2O, it will turn into liquid.

Now you are asking how to tell whether the actual phase of H2O is gaseous or liquid. The answer is the curvature (or lack of it) of spacetime. Take them into a vacuum box, into flat space, and let them float. Take time, but only in the case of liquid H2O will you see them clump together, just to form into single drop shaped perfect sphere.

Only liquid will form a perfect shape, that is a sphere inside the box. Gas cannot do that; gas will fill the box equally.

• Why the downvote? Apr 1, 2020 at 0:56
• Well, it's not really true that gaseous H₂O doesn't have those forces you get in liquid, is it? Only, the molecules are most of the time too far apart to feel anything of it. Apr 1, 2020 at 1:36
• @leftaroundabout correct, but once they are that close, the force (whatever force we call it) kicks in, and the molecules in liquid will stick together into drops. You need to add extra energy again, to separate them to get gaseous (heat up, that is, add kinetic energy). But I will edit to make clear. Apr 1, 2020 at 2:51

"I'm a laywoman in physics and recently found myself pondering..."

Given that you articulated your query so clearly despite this self-assessment, we should all wait for the questions you ask when you are no longer a laywoman in physics.

$$(0)$$ I'll start off by saying that in my opinion, the first part of @knzhou's answer is correct. The reason you are having trouble drawing a line between what is a liquid and what is a gas is that there isn't one; both are fluid (things that can flow). This is the macroscopic consequence of the microscopic fact that the underlying constituents are in a chaotic state of motion.

There are several ways to see that the distinction between liquid and gas is an artificial one, but, in most cases, the distinction between fluid and solid is something that is very clearly defined (in terms of macroscopic, observable criteria). Below, I list the ones I can think of. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more:

$$(1)$$ Relevant variables and Equations of motion: All fluids are characterized by flow. That is, at each point in the material, one can assign a material velocity $$v$$, which is interpreted as the (locally defined) velocity of flow of the material. Equations of motion (that is, equations that govern the evolution in time of a general, non-equilibrium state) for any fluids involve $$v$$, and local thermodynamic variables (density, pressure, temperature, etc.).

For example, the Navier–Stokes equations will describe both liquids and gases. What will change between liquids and gases are the coefficients that enter the equation, for example, coefficients of viscosity, etc. But the form of the equations remain the same. The difference between liquid and gas is therefore merely a quantitative one, seen from this point of view.

In contrast, the solid phase will be described by elastic deformations (as against flow). The form of the equations of motion of a solid will be qualitatively different from the equations of motion for a fluid.

$$(2)$$ Symmetries obeyed: Fluids obey continuous translation symmetry. In case of many fluids (for example, water), condensation involves explicit breaking of this symmetry, as the fluid settles down into a crystal (called "ice" for water). The fact that ice is a crystal implies that it obeys discrete translation symmetry.

This is once again an example of a qualitative distinction between solid and fluid. Once again, there is no possibility of drawing any such qualitative difference between liquid and gas, because they both obey identical symmetries.

I should add (and I know very little about this) that not all liquids freeze (i.e., settle down into crystalline order) as they condense. An amorphous solid (like glass) is not crystalline, therefore solid glass has the same symmetries as molten glass; therefore, even though it appears solid, glass is really a very viscous fluid. If you apply force on a piece of glass and wait long enough (maybe many years), you will see it flow (that is, see it undergo permanent deformation, like a fluid, rather than elastic deformation, like a solid)

$$(3)$$ The Phase diagram itself: I'll refer to @knzhou's link for the phase diagram for water. (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Phase_diagram_of_water_simplified.svg)

When water boils at $$NTP$$ (normal conditions) there seems to be a phase change not withstanding the above facts; for example, the density clearly has a discontinuous jump between the two. But should this imply that we are dealing with two separate phases?

I'll not answer this directly. Instead, I will draw your attention to two facts that can be seen from the phase diagram itself. It is true that there is a range of pressures for which, when we increase the temperature, we encounter a discontinuous jump in density. The points at which this jump occurs form an extended curve in the $$T-P$$ plane. But it is also a fact that this curve terminates, at the critical point.

This implies the following: pick one configuration of water molecules that you think looks gaseous, and another that looks liquid (these two configurations refer to two points on the phase-diagram). There exists a thermodynamic process that takes you between these configurations (i.e., a curve on the $$T-P$$ plane joining the two points) during which you encounter no discontinuous jumps in density!

tl;dr: If two "states of matter" are connected via a continuous change in thermodynamic parameters, obey the same symmetries, and are governed by the same equations of motion, they are really the same thing. They should not, in my humble opinion, be recognized as distinct "Phases" in any well defined, macroscopically observable manner.

This last remark is relevant for the original setting of your question; we can conclude that:

In a general case, there is no way you will be able to tell a "liquid" apart from a "gas" by looking at a snapshot of all the molecules at a given time.

• Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. Mar 31, 2020 at 19:47
• I've edited out the portion of this answer that consisted of a reply to comments rather than an answer to the question. Answers should be self-contained and consist only of material relevant to the question as posed. If you have questions or complaints about how this site works, Physics Meta is the right place for that. Mar 31, 2020 at 19:50
• In the interest of not completely sweeping things under the carpet : physics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/12794/… Mar 31, 2020 at 20:06
• Sorry that this has taken turns which are upsetting for you. Also sorry that I downvoted an answer into which you had put significant effort. But I still stand by it: this answer does not anything useful to the decision, — You argue that I have misunderstood the question. I argue that you have misunderstood, if not the question as it literally stands, then at least the question that was meant. And while it's fine to point out that a literal interpretation leads to an unsatisfying literal answer, knzhou had already done that. Mar 31, 2020 at 21:30
• @leftaroundabout : You are expressing an opinion. My answer (and all others) are also opinions. Of course, I have also backed up my opinion with actual physical arguments. If you have arguments to counter mine, I am all ears. I never pass up an opportunity to learn Mar 31, 2020 at 22:08

It is a question of the balance between kinetic (thermal) motions of the molecules (atoms) and gas/vapour pressure. In a solid the van der Waals force) brings the molecules together so that they form a rigid structure. The thermal motions are not sufficient to break this structure. When the substance is heated, thermal motions break the structure. At low pressure there is nothing to bind the molecules, and they form a vapour.

At a temperature above the triple point, the solid phase becomes impossible. At pressures greater than the triple point vapour pressure can be sufficient to cause some of the substance to form a liquid. When liquid and vapour are present together, the evaporation of the liquid would lead to a high pressure and means that a single phase is unstable. The liquid and gas phases are really two parts of the same. The van der Waals force has some role, for example in generating surface tension and promoting the instability, but it is not the main reason. The phase diagram makes clear that the change from vapour to liquid is simply due to the increase in pressure. At sufficiently high temperature, the critical point, the liquid phase no longer forms. Rotating the image in a 3D visualization program, you see that the positions look pretty chaotic from any angle, unlike a crystalline structure

I assume the OP doesn't see a clear difference between liquids and gases from the molecular point of view. And the solids are not in question because of its cristalline ordered structure.

But its ordered structure is also an ideal case. If a metal is heavily cold worked (what happens often) for example, the density of dislocations can be so high that a 3D visualization program could show a pretty chaotic atom arrangement.

The same happens if the region scanned by the program is in the grain boundary of a policristalline metal. And metals in our daily life are policristalline, with a very large grain boundary total area.

So, if we want to state any kind of absolute mathematical criteria, I don't think that ordered or disordered atoms arrangements can be a good candidate to make any difference between liquids, gases and solids. There will be always a lot of exceptions that contradicts our usual meaning of that concepts. It is like to say that glass is really a liquid, what doesn't make sense.

And the usual meaning of that concepts are macroscopic and practical.

A solid, even when plastic enough to be forced to fill a mold, doesn't collapse immediately by its own weight.

A liquid needs a container, otherwise it does colapse immediately due to is weight.

A gas needs a closed container, otherwise it diffuses to the surroundings.