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Let there be a point mass $m$ attached to a spring of elastic constant $k$, with its other end attached to a fixed point $O$, free to rotate around it. The natural length of the spring is $L_0$, but in the initial state it has length $L_0$, and is set in motion with a speed $v_0$ perpendicular to the spring. There is no friction. Initial state of the system.

I need to find the speed of the mass when the spring is at length $L_0$ again using Lagrangian mechanics. I also need to discuss if any motion takes place in the case that $\frac{k L_{0}^{2}}{m}<3 v_{0}^{2}$.

Before writing anything down, I have thought that by conservation of angular momentum, it be true that $2L_0 mv_0 = L_0 m v$, and therefore $v=2 v_0$. I am not sure if this is right, since the presence of a spring makes me think this has to be more complicated than that. How would one go on about solving this using Lagrangian mechanics? I don't know how to define the velocity of the mass, which would be necessary if I want to define the kinetic energy of the system. The potential energy could be easily expressed in terms of the elongation, so I can define the length of the spring at any moment as $L(t) = L_0 + x(t)$ and therefore: $$V = \frac{1}{2}kx(t)^2$$ Edit: after following @Tobi7's advice, I got two equations: $$m\ddot{x} = m \dot{\varphi}^2 x + k(L_0-x)$$ $$2m\dot{\varphi}(t) x \dot{x} + mx^2 \ddot{\varphi}^2 = 0$$

But I don't know how to proceed to find out the speed of the mass when $x = L_0$. I imagine that, when $x=L_0$, $\ddot{x}=0$ (the restoring force from the spring will be at its minimum when the spring has its natural length). Solving for $\dot{\varphi}^2$ in the first equation gives $\dot{\varphi} = 0$ which I assume is not the case.

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An importat concept of classical mechanics are degrees of freedom, the independent parameters that define the configuration of the system. In your case, the mass performs a circular motion, so choosing an angle $\varphi$ seems appropriate. The other DOF is due to the spring, which someone might denote as $x$. The position of the mass with regards to the origin is $$\boldsymbol{r} = \begin{pmatrix} x \cos \varphi \\ x \sin \varphi \end{pmatrix}.$$ The derive the kinetic energy $T$ of the system, you need to calculate the time derivative of $\boldsymbol{r}$: $$\dot{\boldsymbol{r}} = \begin{pmatrix} \dot{x} \cos\varphi - x \sin\varphi \dot{\varphi} \\ \dot{x} \sin\varphi + x \cos\varphi \dot{\varphi} \end{pmatrix}.$$ The kinetic energy is simply $$T = \frac{1}{2} m \dot{\boldsymbol{r}} \cdot \dot{\boldsymbol{r}}.$$ From now on, you have to take the usual steps to obtain the equations of motion, i.e. define the Lagrangian $\mathcal{L} = T - V$ and plug $\mathcal{L}$ into the Euler-Langrange equation. If $x$ is counted from the origin onwards, the potential of the spring should be $V(x) = 1/2 k (x - L_0)^2$. A hint to solve your problem: The velocity perpendicular to the mass is $\dot{\varphi}$.

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  • $\begingroup$ I think I did not think of this approach because the mass won't move in a circle: the spring is elongated beyond its resting mass, and therefore the trajectory will be more complicated than a circle. Thanks for your answer, it seems more straightforward than I anticipated. I will post my results here! :) $\endgroup$
    – user146820
    Commented Dec 19, 2019 at 22:46
  • $\begingroup$ Okay, I followed your advice and got two equations of motion depending on $x$ and its derivatives and $\varphi$ and its time derivatives. But I don't know how to proceed. Should I be able to solve them to get explicit expressions or is there a smarter, faster way? $\endgroup$
    – user146820
    Commented Dec 19, 2019 at 23:57
  • $\begingroup$ I think the differential equations are not analytically solveavle, but you can try to use the law of energy conservation in a similar way as you would use it to obtain the velocity of a spring that does not rotate $\endgroup$
    – Tobi7
    Commented Dec 20, 2019 at 1:30