# What is the status of applying numerical analysis to QM/QFT problems [closed]

This is something I don't ever seem to hear about, except regarding QCD ("lattice QCD"). What about QED? Is numerical integration always inferior to hand-calculating Feynman diagrams in perturbation theory? What about numerical simulation of the full time-evolution of a quantum field (rather than just calculating correlation functions)? Here are some specific questions:

1) Numerical solutions to the Schrodinger equation. Has the time evolution of a complex quantum system ever been numerically simulated in order to shed light on the measurement problem?

2) Has the time evolution of a quantum field ever been numerically simulated? What about QED? If not, how much more computing power is needed? Could it be useful?

3) Ignoring lattice QCD, is numerical integration ever useful for calculating physical quantities in the SM? For example analytic computation of the terms in perturbation theory yields a value of the anomalous magnetic moment of the electron to something like 10 decimal places. How many decimal places would straight-up brute-force numerical integration get you?

4) What is the current state of the field? Are there any numerical-analysis-aided-achievements in theoretical particle physics outside lattice QCD worth noting?

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• There is an immense body of literature on applying numerical methods to quantum mechanics problems in condensed matter and QED. (For condensed matter, see density matrix renormalization group methods (DMRG), matrix product states (MPS), quantum Monte Carlo techniques, the cavity and replica methods, and more techniques that I am only vaguely aware of). I have only heard of lattice QCD for particle physics, but that's not my area, so I could have easily missed things. – Peter Shor Feb 14 '11 at 12:10
• A good start place to start is Heinz J. Rothe: "Lattice gauge theories. An introduction." – Tim van Beek Feb 14 '11 at 15:00
• There are people who do numerical studies of time-dependent QFT, which I'm only superficially aware of because I happened to be in the same place as a workshop on it once. Try arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0302210, references therein, and more recent things by the same authors. (One reason people care is for better understanding inflation, where dynamics of processes like preheating or electroweak baryogenesis, for instance, can depend on time-dependent, nonequilibrium behavior of quantum fields.) – Matt Reece Feb 14 '11 at 15:48

You can't define QED as a strict continuum limit of a "lattice QED" simply because pure QED is inconsistent at extremely short distance scales.

The fine-structure constant "runs" and at energies of the form $\exp(137 C)$ times mass of the electron, where $C$ is a number of order one and $137$ stands for the inverse fine-structure constant, the coupling diverges and prevents one from defining the theory at even higher energies (or shorter distances).

This Landau problem is completely invisible to all orders of the perturbative expansion which is why QED is perturbatively well-defined. In some sense, the Landau pole - the scale where QED becomes inconsistent - is the closest analogy of the "characteristic mass scale" for QED which plays a similar role as the QCD scale for QCD. It's the scale where the coupling becomes of order one and wants to run to infinity (even though QED and QCD make it run in the opposite directions). That's too bad because physics becomes inconsistent at the QED Landau pole scale - a very different situation from asymptotically free QCD.

Lattice QCD itself is pretty demanding - even though one only deals with a rather limit number of sites. The size of the box as well as the size of the lattice spacing are not "spectacularly different" from the QCD scale, or the radius of the proton. However, QED doesn't have any privileged scale of this kind (except for the bad Landau pole scale), so there's no interesting regime or scale at which the lattice QED would be useful, anyway. Note that lattice QCD really becomes powerful to study the effects for which the strong coupling constant surpasses one or so (hadrons and their collisions, for example). That never happens for the QED fine-structure constant. The latter is not confining.

If one used an approximation that circumvents the Landau-pole problem (this approximation would inevitably have to remain silent about all nonperturbative effects because they can't be extracted from QED itself), and if he fine-tuned the UV couplings properly, he could "numerically integrate" QED, at least in principle. All the local Green's functions in QED are perturbatively well-defined which means that one could in principle integrate QED over finite periods of time, too. But because of technical limitations, nothing like that can be done in practice, at least not in any helpful way. The only thing that one could realistically get by this method would be to derive the RG flows and changes of the coupling constant over an order of magnitude or two (at the energy scale): you would substitute the QED Lagrangian at your lattice spacing scale, and derive the effective QED laws at a longer scale - which would be pretty much the same laws but with modified couplings and other parameters. And these things can be derived theoretically, without any help from computers, too.

I think that it's fair to say that only QCD and its equally confining cousins can be - and has been - usefully studied by these numerical techniques. And even in that case, one still deals with the arguably eternal problems of QCD - problems with fermion doubling and other fermion problems; problems to naturally impose all of supersymmetry, and so on.

• I though the Landau pole is a result of low order pertubation theory. Is there a convincing reason why you are sure it will persist non pertubatively? – lalala Feb 2 '18 at 18:00
• Hi @lalala, simplest calculations of the Landau pole are perturbative but Landau's conclusion has been confirmed beyond that approximation, too. See e.g. the introduction to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landau_pole - The last paragraph in the intro says Numerical computations performed in this framework seems to confirm Landau's conclusion that QED charge is completely screened for an infinite cutoff.[4][5][6][7] - Check the references 4-7. – Luboš Motl Feb 3 '18 at 14:31
• Let me also re-emphasize that while the location of the Landau pole may be guessed perturbatively, as a problem, Landau pole is something that doesn't hurt the perturbative calculations at all because the problems only appear at "non-perturbatively, exponentially high" energy scales. When you study what happens close enough to those scales, but lower, the coupling is still weak so the perturbative expansion has to be OK. The expansion gradually becomes inadequate there. One only has some options what could happen above that scale - stabilization at a "finite coupling" etc. – Luboš Motl Feb 3 '18 at 14:34
• But the actual strict divergence of the coupling somewhere has to be the right story because the alternative explanations require the existence of some perturbative scale-invariant effective QFTs that flow to the QED at low energies etc. But those don't exist. Also, within the duality revolution in QFT and string theory, we have S-duality that inverts "g" - those insights really show that g going to infinity is just as natural as "g" going to zero. – Luboš Motl Feb 3 '18 at 14:36