# Why do we still call the electron charge the elementary (EM) charge?

The electron is an elementary particle, part of the SM, pointlike, with no substructure, or spatial extent. Its intrinsic properties include its EM charge, which we still call the elementary charge.

Originally the name electron comes from electric ion, and it was discovered around the 1900s.

Though we still call it (the electron's Em charge) the elementary charge. Since we call it the elementary charge, it was believed that every single object in the universe had a EM charge that was larger (multiples) then the elementary charge, and the elementary charge of the electron was indivisible.

The elementary charge is a fundamental physical constant.

Charge quantization is the principle that the charge of any object is an integer multiple of the elementary charge. Thus, an object's charge can be exactly 0 e, or exactly 1 e, −1 e, 2 e, etc., but not, say, (1/2)e, or −3.8 e, etc. This is the reason for the terminology "elementary charge": it is meant to imply that it is an indivisible unit of charge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_charge

Now in 1964, we discovered the down quark, with EM charge of one third of the electron. Since then, the elementary EM charge should be that of the down quark, and the electron should have three times the elementary EM charge (of the down quark).

Now I believe that the true elementary EM charge is the down quark and its EM charge should be the fundamental physical constant.

I do understand that quarks are in confinement and have never been observed outside confinement experimentally, but still I believe that the down quark charge is the real indivisible elementary EM charge.

Question:

1. Why do we still call the electron the elementary EM charge and why is the -e still the fundamental physical constant (and not the down quark)?
• Because you do not observe quarks asymptotically, in isolation, so all the observable lumps of matter still have an integer number of electron charges? What made you "believe that the true elementary EM charge is the down quark"? – Cosmas Zachos Oct 19 '19 at 20:19
• @CosmasZachos I understand that you are saying that since quarks cannot be experimentally observed, their (down quark) charge should not be elementary? i believe since the down quark is an elementary particle (and its EM charge is fundamental), its EM charge should be the fundamental physical constant. – Árpád Szendrei Oct 19 '19 at 20:28
• Aside from the fact that we don't observe isolated quarks, I don't think there is any physics in what you're proposing. Just moving words around. So what's the point? – d_b Oct 19 '19 at 21:00
• @d_b I do believe that we should call elementary what is truly indivisible, like the down quark EM charge. To our knowledge today, that is the only real indivisible EM charge. When new people start learning physics, and learn that the electron charge is the indivisible charge, and then learn that it is not, they get confused. I believe we should update the SM accordingly. I though maybe somebody could tell me if there is a specific reason to keep the electron as the elementary charge. – Árpád Szendrei Oct 19 '19 at 21:18
• People downvoting honest questions make this site a modern version of the Spanish Inquisition. It the most unfriendly, unwelcome, self absorbed and self distractive practice, a shame for the 21st century. – safesphere Oct 19 '19 at 23:41

The elementary charge, usually denoted by e or sometimes $$q_e$$, is the electric charge carried by a single proton or, equivalently, the magnitude of the electric charge carried by a single electron, which has charge −1 e

Charge is a quantity measured in the laboratory, and in coulombs,

is $$1.60217662 × 10^{-19}$$ coulombs.

What is a Coulomb?

The coulomb (symbol: C) is the International System of Units (SI) unit of electric charge. It is the charge (symbol: Q or q) transported by a constant current of one ampere in one second.

It is obvious why the proton charge was called elementary, compared with the coulomb, the charges measured at the time that protons were formulated. It is also based on the understanding of the periodic table of elements , and it was logical for people studying chemistry and nuclear physics to give the definition of elementary, instead of carrying multiples of $$1.60217662 × 10^{-19}$$ coulombs : define it as 1 and carry on with a simpler symbolic life.

Then quarks and the standard model came up, and the model fits the data with some charges being 2/3 and 1/3 of the definition for the charge of the proton.

Why do we still call the electron the elementary EM charge and why is the -e still the fundamental physical constant (and not the down quark)?

(Note it is the proton too involved in the definition of elementary charge).

Because mainly, as people said in comments, one does not have individual quarks to be able to measure their charge to the accuracy of $$1.60217662 × 10^{-19}$$ coulombs, and standard units should be based on accurate measurements, which can only be carried out with protons and electrons.

If in the far future it is found experimentally that the onion has still many layers of compositeness, would one want to change units to those of the theoretical particles in the new models?

The value of the charge of the protons and electrons does not need elaborate mathematical models to be measured in the lab, only classical electrodynamics and mechanics.

Of course there have always been philosophically inclined physicists, believing in the reality of the ideals of Plato, that mathematics creates reality, and in this frame the mathematics of the standard model creates reality for them. But for realists, as is the committee that defines the System of Units, measurements are of greater import. They still have the Coulomb as a unit of charge.

• Thank you so much! – Árpád Szendrei Oct 20 '19 at 15:15