# Does action at distance in electromagnetism violate energy conservation?

Consider two charges A and B separated at distance D. charge B is attached on spring and can move towards and away from charge A. Now charge A is brought closer to charge B and then it is taken back to its original position. Work done in this process is zero because of conservative forces. If this action is done in time interval less than D/c, then charge B does not feel any force or reaction during this time. Now as this reaction force reaches to charge B, it will oscillate. In this process work done on charge A is zero but charge B is having energy due to oscillation. Is energy conservation violated in this retarded action ?

• conservation laws hold for inertial frames,. the action " charge A is brought closer to charge B and then it is taken back to its original position. " "brought closer and taken back" are non inertial frames. Commented Sep 19, 2019 at 3:57
• Electromagnetism is not action at a distance.
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Commented Sep 19, 2019 at 13:35
• By action at distance, I mean retarded interactions in electromagnetism. Commented Sep 19, 2019 at 17:05

No. There is energy in the electromagnetic field that you aren’t considering. When you include both the energy of moving charges and the field energy, energy is conserved in all electromagnetic interactions. So is linear momentum and angular momentum.

Electromagnetic fields not only make these quantities conserved globally: they make them conserved locally in any infinitesimal region of space you care to consider.

• Oscillation energy produced at charge B is also depends on magnitude of charge B. Because more charge, more force and hence more oscillating amplitude of charge B. We can take as much large magnitude of charge B as we want. This does not affect radiation energy at charge A, but it will increase energy of oscillation of charge B. So, radiation energy can not account for whatever energy is produced at the charge B. Commented Sep 19, 2019 at 4:32
• The total energy of the charged particles and the fields is conserved. This follows from Maxwells equation and the Lorentz force law. See Wikipedia. Commented Sep 19, 2019 at 19:49

There is no "action at a distance" in electromagnetism, when you have the full theory. Charges affect the electromagnetic field, locally. The parts of the electromagnetic field affect other parts, locally. And the electromagnetic field affects charges, locally.

This is one of the consequences of Maxwell's equations in differential form: \begin{align} \nabla \cdot \mathbf{E} & = \frac{\rho}{\epsilon_0}, & \nabla \cdot \mathbf{B} & = 0, \\ \nabla \times \mathbf{E} & = -\frac{\partial \mathbf{B}}{\partial t}, & \text{and } \nabla \times \mathbf{B} & = \mu_0 \mathbf{J} + \mu_0\epsilon_0 \frac{\partial \mathbf{E}}{\partial t}, \end{align} when combined with the formulae for the Lorentz force (density) \begin{align} \mathbf{F} & = q\mathbf{E} + q\mathbf{v}\times\mathbf{B} \text{ or} \\ \mathbf{f} & = \rho\mathbf{E} + \mathbf{J} \times \mathbf{B} \text{ (force density)}. \end{align}

Energy only appears to be lost, to you, because you're not accounting for the energy and momentum carried by the electromagnetic field. You can look at the components of the electromagnetic stress-energy tensor to figure out how much energy, momentum, and stresses are in the electromagnetic field at any time. When you add up all of the energy and momentum, you'll find it's quite conserved.

Now, if you think that this is just a hack, it is the most straightforward model to understand how the pressure light sails experience is produced (recently demonstrated).

Wheeler and Feynman developed the action-at-a-distance theory for electromagnetic field theory. This theory is usually called as the absorber theory (1945-1949) [1,2]. The absorber theory is build on the the top of action-at-a-distance theory [3,4,5]. The absorber theory is further developed by John Cramer as transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics (1980) [6,7]. The key of the action-at-a-distance theory,absorber theory, transactional interpretation is that the action is build at least between two objects: the source and sink. The source can be a transmitting antenna, a light source. The sink can be a receiving antenna or light sink. The source can have radiation of the retarded wave. The sink can have the radiation of the advanced wave.

A the above theory from action-at-a-distance to transactional theory is qualitative theory but not a quantitative theory. Hence all these theory have not associated to energy conservation.

However the theory of action-at-a-distance, absorber theory and transactional interpretation theory is further developed by the mutual energy theorem [8,9,10] (1987) and [11,12,13,14] (2017), which is a quantitative theory. The the mutual energy theorem, the energy conservation law for N current elements is, $$$$\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1,j\neq i}^{N}\intop_{t=-\infty}^{\infty}dt\iiint_{V}(\boldsymbol{J}_{i}\cdot\boldsymbol{E}_{j})dV\equiv\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1,j

The above conservation law is self-explanatory. Since $$\iiint_{V}(\boldsymbol{J}_{i}\cdot\boldsymbol{E}_{j})dV$$ is the power of current element $$\boldsymbol{J}_{j}$$ give to $$\boldsymbol{J}_{i}$$. $$\iiint_{V}(\boldsymbol{J}_{j}\cdot\boldsymbol{E}_{i})dV$$ is the power of current element $$\boldsymbol{J}_{i}$$ give to $$\boldsymbol{J}_{j}$$. If $$\boldsymbol{J}_{i}$$ get some power $$\boldsymbol{J}_{j}$$ will loss the same amount. Hence, in general there is, $$$$\intop_{t=-\infty}^{\infty}dt\iiint_{V}(\boldsymbol{J}_{i}\cdot\boldsymbol{E}_{j})dV=-\intop_{t=-\infty}^{\infty}dt\iiint_{V}(\boldsymbol{J}_{j}\cdot\boldsymbol{E}_{i})dV\label{eq:20}$$$$

Hence we have the above energy conservation law. In mutual energy theory. The above energy conservation law is supported by the mutual energy principle,

$$$$-\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1,j\neq i}^{N}\iint_{\Gamma}(\boldsymbol{E}_{i}\times\boldsymbol{H}_{j})\cdot\hat{n}d\Gamma=\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1,j\neq i}^{N}\iiint_{V}(\boldsymbol{J}_{i}\cdot\boldsymbol{E}_{j}+\boldsymbol{E}_{i}\cdot\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{D}_{j}+\boldsymbol{H}_{i}\cdot\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{B}_{j})dV\label{eq:30}$$$$

Mutual energy principle is equivalent to N group of Maxwell equations,

$$$$\left(\begin{array}{c} \nabla\times\boldsymbol{E}_{i}=-\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{B}_{i}\\ \nabla\times\boldsymbol{H}_{i}=\boldsymbol{J}_{i}+\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{D}_{i} \end{array}\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ i=1,\cdots N\right)\label{eq:40}$$$$

That means the the mutual energy principle is the sufficient and necessary condition of the above N group of Maxwell equations. Hence, the mutual energy conservation law of action-at-a-distance theory should be the above mutual energy principle.

It should be noticed that the above mutual energy principle as a energy conservation law have major difference with the energy conservation law of the traditional electromagnetic field theory. In traditional electromagnetic field theory the energy conservation law is the Poynting theorem, which is

$$$$-\iint_{\Gamma}(\boldsymbol{E}\times\boldsymbol{H})\cdot\hat{n}d\Gamma=\iiint_{V}(\boldsymbol{J}\cdot\boldsymbol{E}+\boldsymbol{E}\cdot\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{D}+\boldsymbol{H}\cdot\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{B})dV\label{eq:50}$$$$

If there are N current elements $$\boldsymbol{J}_{i}$$ $$i=1,...N$$. There should be superposition law

$$$$\boldsymbol{E}=\sum_{i=1}^{N}\boldsymbol{E}_{i}\label{eq:60}$$$$ $$$$\boldsymbol{E}=\sum_{i=1}^{N}\boldsymbol{E}_{i}\label{eq:70}$$$$ $$$$\boldsymbol{J}=\sum_{i=1}^{N}\boldsymbol{J}_{i}\label{eq:80}$$$$

Substitute the above to the Poynting theorem we obtained,

$$$$-\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1}^{N}\iint_{\Gamma}(\boldsymbol{E}_{i}\times\boldsymbol{H}_{j})\cdot\hat{n}d\Gamma=\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1}^{N}\iiint_{V}(\boldsymbol{J}_{i}\cdot\boldsymbol{E}_{j}+\boldsymbol{E}_{i}\cdot\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{D}_{j}+\boldsymbol{H}_{i}\cdot\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{B}_{j})dV\label{eq:90}$$$$

These can be called Poynting theorem of N current elements. This formula is very close to the mutual energy principle, but there are clear difference, the difference is at the summation. There is $$$$\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1}^{N}\ \ \ \ \ \ vs\ \ \ \ \ \ \sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1,j\neq i}^{N}\label{eq:100}$$$$ The theory of Mutual energy believe the summation $$\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1,j\neq i}^{N}$$ is correct, and $$\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1}^{N}$$ is wrong. $$\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1}^{N}$$ over estimated the energy of the system. If we use $$\sum_{i=1}^{N}\sum_{j=1}^{N}$$ this summation the energy have additional terms which are,

$$$$-\sum_{i=1}^{N}\iint_{\Gamma}(\boldsymbol{E}_{i}\times\boldsymbol{H}_{i})\cdot\hat{n}d\Gamma=\sum_{i=1}^{N}\iiint_{V}(\boldsymbol{J}_{i}\cdot\boldsymbol{E}_{i}+\boldsymbol{E}_{i}\cdot\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{D}_{i}+\boldsymbol{H}_{i}\cdot\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\boldsymbol{B}_{i})dV\label{eq:110}$$$$ The above is all self-energy terms. The mutual energy theory believe self-energy terms cannot transfer energy. Hence N current-element Poynting theorem over-estimate the energy of the system.

From the follower of action-at-a-distance-theory:the mutual energy theory offers a corrected the energy conservation law. The traditional electromagnetic field theory offers a wrong Poynting theorem of N current elements which over estimates the energy of the electromagnetic system.

This over estimation is the cause of wave and particle duality problem of electromagnetic field theory and quantum mechanics.

Any way the action-at-a-distance can offer correct energy conservation law, but the traditional electromagnetic field theory especially the Poynting theorem of N current elements offers an over-estimated energy conservation law!

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