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I understand this is a very complicated question to answer as no one really knows. However if gravity exerts an infinite force in the singularity of a black hole, then can't it travel faster than the speed of light?

I mean, wouldn't it also have to have infinite mass? I was thinking that if gravity exerts a force that eventually puts an accelerating object at terminal velocity - what if the gravity was infinite? Such as in the singularity of a black hole. It was just an abstract thought but wondered any one else's take on it.


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  • $\begingroup$ I think it's worth pointing out that the idea that there is a singularity at the center of a black hole is a purely the result of mathematics. We lack a way to test this hypothesis. $\endgroup$ – JimmyJames Jun 10 at 14:09
  • $\begingroup$ @JimmyJames There is no such a result in mathematics. The idea that "there exists a singularity in the center of a black hole" is just as invalid, as that "there exists the Big Bang in the center of the universe". There is no "center of the universe". There is no "center of a black hole". Both the Big Bang and black hole singularities are moments in time, not locations in space. $\endgroup$ – safesphere Jun 10 at 22:08

Yes we do really know, and the answer is that causal influences cannot travel faster than the maximum speed. Light in vacuum travels at this maximm speed, so we say that nothing can travel faster than light. This means, to be precise, that a causal influence cannot move past other nearby things faster than light would move past them.

There are plenty of examples of phenomena where some sort of definable spot or intersection or whatever moves faster than light, but these do not transmit information or causal influences.

Gravitational phenomena obey the speed-limit, but sometimes people fail to understand the possibility that there may be more than one route between given places, so if an influence took the shorter route it can arrive faster than a signal such as a light signal that went by the longer route. There's nothing particularly suprising about that, but when these routes are connected with spacetime being distorted into strange shapes, then sometimes this may catch us out.

Stuff falling towards the singularity in a black hole approaches but does not exceed the speed of light. For example, it won't overtake a light signal sent on ahead of it. However, the singularity itself is a place where our physical understanding is almost certainly incomplete; very likely something is going on there which has to take quantum theory into account and we don't know what.

You sometimes hear of work in quantum field theory that invokes particles travelling faster than light; they are called tachyons. However as things stand at the moment such theories are either simply wrong, or else they are using the word 'tachyon' in a rather subtle technical sense, as a way of calculating parts of a process which overall does respect the normal speed limit.

This speed limit is not so much a limit on speed as a statement about the structure of the world as a function of both space and time.

Finally, you might like to note that this question is always coming up and there are plenty of other similar questions and answers already on this site. Perhaps I should have directed you to one of those and then added this answer there. Anyway, there it is.

  • $\begingroup$ As stated in the first paragraph of Section 27 in his 1916 book titled "Relativity : The Special and General Theory" (free online), Einstein didn't believe in the constancy of the speed of light, perhaps because he realized that GR would provide for the causal separation of regions, as turned out to be the case when black holes were identified (mostly by observation of stars orbiting an invisible partner which had collapsed gravitationally). The speed of light trapped outside our region may be arbitrarily higher or lower than our own. Google "Big bounce" for possible effects on cosmology. $\endgroup$ – Edouard Jun 10 at 16:01
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    $\begingroup$ @Edouard Could you clarify your objection? Nothing you said contradicted this answer. It is well known that the speed of light is different everywhere remotely. The point is that nformation cannot move faster then light under any circumstances. $\endgroup$ – safesphere Jun 10 at 23:03
  • $\begingroup$ @ safesphere I see what you mean. I believe my motivation was the singular article "the" in Andrew Steane's first sentence, which, combined with the failures to use the plural of its word "speed", or to modify "speed" by the adjective "local", could lead to misunderstanding, especially given the unfortunate designation of the gravitational version of relativity as "general" (which gives a non-local impression of the theory's intent). His entire third paragraph is certainly worth the risk that such subtleties might be overlooked, so I'm upvoting his answer.. $\endgroup$ – Edouard Jun 11 at 4:43
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    $\begingroup$ @Edouard Right. Depending on circumstances and on the frame of reference, we can see the speed of light ranging remotely from zero to infinity. However always with no exceptions light outruns any local massive particle. Also one other quick thing. Please do not use any spaces in the @ address. Otherwise notifications are not sent. $\endgroup$ – safesphere Jun 11 at 6:06

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