# Applying an external force from inside a ball

I know that to accelerate an object we have to apply an EXTERNAL unbalanced force. I thought about the following situation.

I am inside a large transparent ball. I want the ball to move forward. I apply a force. It seems natural that the ball should move forward. But isn't the force I applied an internal force? Then will the ball move?

Also if the ball moves what is the external force acting on the ball? Thank you • When you move forward to push gravity can cause a torque on the new center of mass – Triatticus Apr 1 at 8:16
• Ok so because of that torque the ball would rotate and apply a force on the ground to which the ground will apply a force. Then the ball will move. Is this right ? – Ashok Sharma Apr 1 at 8:31

Your force simply creates torque that then causes a friction force just a car's wheel does to accelerate a car.

I am assuming that you are considering the system in gravity and on the ground. Otherwise there would be no motion.

Nice question! First let's put the ball on a frictionless horizontal surface. Can you get it to move? I think not. As you step to one side the ball slips back. You can't manage to get a net movement of the centre of mass of (yourself plus ball).

Now let's make the surface not horizontal. You and ball roll down the slope, and gravity from the Earth is providing the force; it is an external force.

Finally, go back to horizontal surface and allow friction between ball and surface. This friction is external to the ball so it can in principle cause the centre of mass of yourself plus ball to be displaced one way or another. I think what happens is that as you lift your foot ready to place it in front of you, the static friction between the ground and the part of the ball under the foot you are standing on resists the backwards motion, so it is providing a force in the forward direction. This allows you to displace your centre of mass forward relative to the ground. Then you lower your foot onto the ball and it rolls forward as your mass moves downward; in this part of the motion there is, I guess, little or no horizonal displacement of centre of mass. So the overall effect of one step is that the centre of mass of yourself plus ball has moved forward from a standing start, and friction provided the external force. Then you can take another step, etc.

I apply a force. It seems natural that the ball should move forward.

Assuming no friction:

Sure , if you apply a force on the ball from inside, it's centre of mass will move forward slightly. But the person experiences an equal and opposite force and it's centre of mass will move backwards such that the centre of mass of the combined Man + ball system will not move.

The force you apply is an internal force only if you consider the Man + ball as your system. If you take the ball as being a separate system, then the force you apply is an external force. Whether a force is internal or external depends on what you take as your system.

In this case, the ball and man will keep rotating about their combined centre of mass in opposite sense since the angular momentum has to be conserved.

Assuming friction is present: Assume that initially, the COM of the man and the ball were along the same vertical line. As the man moves forward to push the ball, a net torque is produced about the COM of the ball and fricton acts in the forward direction so that finally pure rolling occurs ( assuming friction is sufficient) and the ball + man system moves forward as long as he applies force.

• Sir, I have some doubts, 1) In the case when friction is absent, how will the centre of mass of the ball change when the man moves forward to apply a force. 2) How will the centre of mass of the Man move backwards when the man moves forward . – Ashok Sharma Apr 3 at 7:35
• for the man to move we have to assume friction is present between him and the interior surface(friction is absent between ground and ball).If this is the case, as the man moves even a little bit forward , friction would act on the ball and move it backwards. 2-) For this we have to assume that initially man moved forward to push the ball and that the force applied by him at the surface of the ball(with hands) is greater than the friction force acting in the forward direction on him when he pushes the ground backward. – Starboy Apr 3 at 10:58