# Big Bang: what is it exactly that is expanding?

I have read a bit about the Big Bang over the years, but being no physicist I have never been able to really understand what it is about.

As far as I know, starting with Hubble we have been able to measure the red shift of distant galaxies, and because they are all redshifted, in all directions, we postulated this model of the expansion, then develop the model backwards towards the Big Bang, etc.

What I don't understand is the "expansion" part. I don't doubt that those galaxies are retreating from us. It is less obvious to me why this is called an "expansion". What's expanding and how?

My doubt comes mostly from thinking that if "everything" is expanding, we shouldn't be able to measure it, because all our measuring devices would be expanding too. If we can measure the expansion, it means that some things (light? space-time?) are not expanding.

Edit: to address Kyle Kanos' comment, and maybe to make the question more precise, what does it mean that "space" expands? How could "space" expand without expanding the things contained within?

• Space.${}{}{}{}{}$ Nov 25 '18 at 1:40
• When a river expands into a lake bringing fallen leaves, the leaves don't become bigger, just move apart, except those connected by branches don't move apart. Nov 25 '18 at 3:12
• Some references: "In an expanding universe, what doesn’t expand?" (arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0508052), "Evolution of gravitational orbits in the expanding universe" (arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0703121), "Cosmological perturbations on local systems" (arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0612146v1) Nov 25 '18 at 3:41
• IMHO your question cannot be answered in words. "Expansions" is a technical word, whose meaning is not reachable without an approach of basic ideas of GR and of mathematics of curved spaces. This is less awful than it may appear, but anyhow requires some study. Nov 25 '18 at 11:27
• Possible duplicate of physics.stackexchange.com/q/70047
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Nov 26 '18 at 16:24

Consider a diagram like the one I show below These are four galaxies attached to some imaginary wireframe, for simplicity this grid is square, and the size of each cell is $$a$$. @Kyle's statement, though short, is absolutely right, what expands is space, in the sense that the grid scales in size. In the example above the length of each cell is increased by a factor of $$2$$, of course $$a$$ in general changes smoothly as a function of time

$$a = a(t) \tag{1}$$

Your observation is also somewhat correct, if you sit on galaxy $$A$$ and watch the universe expand, you will see that the geometry of the triangle formed with galaxies $$B$$ and $$C$$ does not change. But there are a couple of things that will help you detect expansion

1. I deliberately drew object $$D$$ as a set of points, imagine that at the figure on the left these objects are gravitationally bound. If that is the case, even after the universe expands, this object remains bound, so the distance among its parts are not going to change. We say in those cases that $$D$$ is decoupled from expansion and that is actually the reason galaxies exist at all, and why something like the CMB is such a powerful tool to understand the history of the universe. Because it contains sizes of objects we know the distance to, so by measuring angles we can form a pretty solid picture of the processes that lead to the formation of such objects.

2. Light! Also in this picture I drew a photon emitted by $$D$$, of course it takes some time for it travel until you can see it (remember you are at $$A$$), but the universe expands in the meanwhile, when you finally receive it, its "length" has been affected by expansion. More technically its wavelength will also increase, in our example, by a factor of $$2$$. So it becomes redder, if you can identify which color object $$D$$ emitted its light at (which we know), and measure which color it appears to you, you can also infer how much the expansion of the universe affected that photon.

In this case the rule is expanding, but we understand how, and we can use its change to your advantage.

• All that's actually changed from the left diagram to the right, is that the spacing of $D$ has shrunk. Dec 1 '18 at 18:34

In my opinion, and this is very much non-standard, and there should and I am sure will be, other answers giving a more conventional view but you have hit the whole nail on the head in respect of there being some degree of absurdity to the notion of the big bang and the beginning of time.

What many fail to realise is that both time and size are themselves relative and as such, the notion of the Universe being the size of a pea is absurd at a time when neither a pea nor anything remotely resembling it exists, and if it did, wouldn't be meaningfully "pea-sized" anyway.

Where care is rarely taken then, is to make precise statements about that it means for the universe to be tiny.

What I interpret these statements to actually mean, is that the distribution of spaces within the universe was different insofar as the space within particles was much greater, in comparison with the space between particles, as a proportion of the total space, than it is now.

But the notion that metre back then had much to do with a metre now, is absurd.

What we can do, is to recover some meaningful notion of what we mean by expansion using a statement of the following form: "The distribution of space among matter shifts such that the proportion of space contained within particles decreases over time relative to the proportion of total space that is between particles."

Moreover, one should also take care with the other dimension of separation - time, which is more potent at reducing the notion of the big bang to absurdity.

According to certain of our basic models (if I later find the reference which was from John Baez, I will add it - for now I can find this discussion of a book by Roger Penrose, which speculates about time before the big bang), if we look at motion as we approach the big bang, going backwards, all motion gets faster and faster, and becomes a singularity at the beginning of time. Baez talked about this being a singularity, and if I remember rightly, possibly a shortcoming of our models. But what he failed to pick up upon in the blog he wrote (and I have seen no prominent physicist pick up on either) is that if true, this means the big bang is not necessarily the beginning of the universe.

If motion approaches infinite speed then things can happen infinitely fast - infinitely many things can happen in no time at all. With this knowledge, the theory of the big bang seen truly, only says that our concept of time breaks down around 13 billion years ago, but you can take any moment of your choice, arbitrarily close to the big bang and still always find more stuff taking place in what we call the "moments" before, than in the entire 13 billion years since.

It would seem therefore that rather than consider time to be linear, we should think of it as circular. Locally, change fairly unambiguously correlates with distance or separation, but but the further back we see, the more we approach an "event horizon" analogous with the horizon of a black hole, where it becomes difficult for us to separate events from each other in a linear fashion they resembles time as we experience it locally.

If I remember rightly there are tentative, but reputable theories from prominent physicists that compare the big bang with our emergence from a black hole and my personal opinion would be that this is likely a good analogy, if not description. My personal opinion is that the big bang is the moment we (the entire universe as we know it) as a collection of light, were emitted, and that we and everything around us recede at the speed of light relative to the big bang. Then the CMB is the weakest distant remnant of that event, that we can see.

• I don't see how this answers the question asked. Nov 26 '18 at 11:11
• @KyleKanos This is the tl;dr: Any concept of expansion is predicated upon a measure of size. But in big bang theory, size as we know it breaks down. Therefore a naive concept of expansion is ill-defined. It is however possible to recover a meaningful notion of expansion by talking of the relative distribution of mass within space - then we find that the answer to "What is actually expanding?" is: "The distribution of space among matter shifts such that the proportion of space contained within particles decreases over time relative to the proportion of total space that is between particles." Nov 26 '18 at 12:03