# Doppler effect contradiction when counting wave fronts

For concreteness, let's take a source moving away from a stationary observer.

The observed frequency will be less than the emitted frequency, so for any given time interval, the observer will count less incoming peaks than the source counts outgoing ones. This is what frequency means, this makes sense.

But what if the source is turned on for a given time, then switched off? The source and observer will disagree on how many peaks were actually emitted. This feels like a contradiction. If "observing a peak" were an event, some events wouldn't occur in the observer's frame!

• Wait, I think I missed something. Why would the observer not see all the peaks that were emitted ? Even if you turn the source off at some point, all the peaks that were emitted before will go on travelling and reach the observer, won't they ? – Barbaud Julien Nov 2 '18 at 1:50
• Can you explain why you think they will disagree on the number of peaks? They should only "disagree" on the spacing of the peaks, not the number of them. – Aaron Stevens Nov 2 '18 at 2:10
• The source is on for a time t. In that time, the source sees f_s•t peaks, and the observer sees f_o•t peaks. My intuition also says they should see the same number, but using the different frequencies to find how many peaks are observed leads to a disagreement! I feel like I'm mistaken in applying the formula f•t=n here, but why? – 1sadtrombone Nov 2 '18 at 4:00
• You are incorrectly assuming $t$ is the same for both observers. – Aaron Stevens Nov 2 '18 at 14:27

The source is on for a time $$t$$. In that time, the source sees $$f_st$$ peaks, and the observer sees $$f_ot$$ peaks. My intuition also says they should see the same number, but using the different frequencies to find how many peaks are observed leads to a disagreement! I feel like I'm mistaken in applying the formula $$ft=n$$ here, but why?
The issue is in assuming that the time $$t$$ that is experienced by the source and the observer is the same. This is not the case.
This is because as the source moves away from the observer, the sound wave will be longer by an amount $$vT_s$$, where $$v$$ is the velocity of the source, and $$T_s$$ is the time the source is on. The total length of the wave will be $$\ell=(c+v)T_s$$, where $$c$$ is the speed of sound.
Since the wave moves at the speed of sound $$c$$, the observer will experience the sound for a time $$T_o=\frac{\ell}{c}=\frac{(c+v)T_s}{c}$$
Now, applying the Doppler shift in frequency for a source moving away from a stationary receiver: $$f_o=\frac{c}{c+v}f_s$$ we find that $$f_oT_o=f_sT_s=n$$ which is what you correctly assumed should be true.
Note: you could also view this as a way (maybe even the way?) to derive the Doppler shift formula, where you start with $$f_oT_o=f_sT_s=n$$ and determine how long the receiver experiences the emitted wave as was done above.