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I have a home work:

Consider a head-on collision of a 'bullet' of rest mass $M$ with a stationary 'target' of rest mass $m$. Prove that the post-collision γ-factor of the bullet cannot exceed:$$(m^2 + M^2)/(2mM).$$ [Hint: if $P, P'$ are the pre- and post- collision four-momenta of the bullet, and $Q, Q'$ those of the target,show, by going to the CM frame, that $(P' − Q)^2 ≥ 0$; in fact, in the CM frame $P' − Q$ has no spatial components.]

I have solved problem from the hint that $(P' − Q )^2 ≥ 0$ and $P' − Q$ should have non-spatial component. The first hint is easy, because four-momentum is time-like hence it should always be non-negative. What i don't understand is that why $P' − Q$ should have non-spatial component in COM?

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  • $\begingroup$ In the CM frame you have $E=P+Q=P'+Q'$ (where $E$ is total rest mass), so you can express $P'-Q$ in terms of $Q$ and $Q'$. $\endgroup$
    – Cuspy Code
    Commented Oct 6, 2018 at 17:38
  • $\begingroup$ @CuspyCode and then? I still don’t get it. $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 6, 2018 at 17:51
  • $\begingroup$ $P'-Q=E-(Q+Q')$. The total rest four-momentum $E$ obviously has no spatial components, and $Q+Q'$ also has no spatial components in a 100% elastic collision (by symmetry, in the CM frame). Energy considerations require that the maximal $\gamma$-factor involves an elastic collision, I think. $\endgroup$
    – Cuspy Code
    Commented Oct 6, 2018 at 18:16
  • $\begingroup$ @CuspyCode Q and Q’ represents the 4-momentum of target. You mean the target can’t be deflected? $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 6, 2018 at 18:21
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    $\begingroup$ The bullet should be $K$, the target $P$, and $Q=K-K'$. Calling something that isn't momentum transfer $Q$ is a problem. I mean if someone asked you," a mass, $g$, falls a distance, $t$, in $x$ seconds, what is the gravitational acceleration, $m$?", would you answer them? $\endgroup$
    – JEB
    Commented Oct 6, 2018 at 22:36

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(The problem in the OP appears to be from Rindler, Relativity: Special, General, and Cosmological, 2ed, Exercise 6.7.)

The statement
"in the CM [zero-momentum, center of momentum] frame $(P'-Q)$ has no spatial components" means that $(P'-Q)$ is parallel to the total-4-momentum $(P+Q)$, also $(P'+Q')$ [by conservation]. This appears to hold true when the collision is elastic.


As I was writing this, I eventually arrived at a simpler solution in the end.
But I've kept what I started with because it may be useful to others (as it was to me).


Inspired by the Mandelstam variables ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandelstam_variables )
(which I am learning more about) I can prove it using dot-products... but can't easily explain it in those terms... but I suspect there is a simpler method using dot-products using the 4-momenta directly... when things get sorted out.

In these terms, let me define the following 4-vectors:
$S=P+Q=P'+Q'$ (the total-4-momentum) ,
$T=P-P'=Q'-Q$, (the 4-momentum transfer) and
$U=P-Q'=P'-Q$ (some kind of cross term),
where I have used momentum conservation ($P+Q=P'+Q'$) to write the second equality in each.
It's easy to show that $S\cdot T=0$ (the momentum-transfer is orthogonal to the total-momentum).

What you want to show is that,
for elastic collisions, $U$ is parallel to $S$ by showing that $U\cdot T=0$.
(By elastic, we have, in addition to $P+Q=P'+Q'$,
the conditions $P^2=P'^2$ and $Q^2=Q'^2$.)

First note that $$S^2=(P+Q)^2=P^2+2P\cdot Q+Q^2.$$ Next, note that $$S+T+U=(3P+Q-P'-Q')=2P,$$ where I invoked momentum conservation.
It can be shown that $S^2+T^2+U^2=P^2+Q^2+P'^2+Q'^2$, which equals $2(P^2+Q^2)$ in the elastic case.

By squaring $T+U=2P-S=P-Q$ and isolating $2T\cdot U$,
I get $$\begin{align} 2 T\cdot U &=P^2-2P\cdot Q+Q^2 -[T^2+U^2]\\ &=P^2-2P\cdot Q+Q^2 -[2(P^2+Q^2)-S^2]\\ &=-P^2-2P\cdot Q-Q^2 +S^2\\ &=0 \end{align} $$ There's likely a simpler calculation with dot-products [without invoking Mandelstam] which might be suggested by the following energy-momentum diagram. (update: there is)


Now here's an energy-momentum diagram, which suggests a simpler geometric interpretation. energy-momentum-elastic-collision

The 4-vector $U=P'-Q=P'-Q_{copy}$ is shown, connecting the tip of $Q_{copy}$ to $P'$.

The momentum-transfer segment $T$ (connecting A and C), which is orthogonal to the total-momentum $S$, is actually bisected by $S$ when the collision is elastic... that is when $C$ (the tip of $P'$ and the tail of $Q'$) is at the intersection of the two mass-shells determined by $P$ and $Q$.

So, this means that in the zero-momentum COM frame, the spatial part of $Q$ (which is projected onto half of $T$) is equal to the spatial part of $P'$ (which is projected onto the other half of $T$). Thus, the difference in their spatial components is zero.

Thus, $U\cdot T=(P'-Q)\cdot T=P'\cdot T - Q\cdot T=P'_{x,COM}-Q_{x,COM}=0$.


Okay, after writing this up and thinking about it some more...
Here is a simpler calculation. (I'll leave the earlier stuff up there because it may be useful. It was to me.)

$$\begin{align} 0&\stackrel{?}{=}U\cdot T\\ &=(P'-Q)\cdot T\\ &=(P'-[P'+Q'-P])\cdot T \qquad \mbox{invoking conservation}\\ &=(P'+P-[P'+Q'])\cdot T\\ &=(P'+P)\cdot T-[P'+Q']\cdot T\\ &=(P'+P)\cdot T- \qquad 0\qquad\quad \mbox{since $S\cdot T=0$}\\ &=(P'+P)\cdot (P-P')\\ &=P'^2-P^2\\ &=\qquad 0 \qquad \qquad \qquad\qquad \mbox{since $P'^2=P^2$ for an elastic collision}\\ \end{align} $$


One more update.
I think the following variant of the last calculation constructs $U$ as a multiple of $S$:

$$\begin{align} U&=(P'-Q)\\ &=(P'-[P'+Q'-P])\qquad \mbox{invoking conservation}\\ &=(P'+P-[P'+Q'])\\ &=(P'+P)-[P'+Q']\\ &=(P'+P) -S\qquad\qquad\quad \mbox{since $S=P'+Q'$}\\ \end{align} $$ Since $P'$ and $P$ are future-pointing timelike, then so is $(P'+P)$.
For an elastic collision $(P'+P)$ is a multiple of $S$, because of symmetry [recall $P^2=P'^2$ for an elastic collision]... and it seems we need that $P$, $P'$, and $S$ are coplanar.
From the diagram, $(P'+P)$ has magnitude $2P\cosh\theta_{PS}$, where $\theta$ is the rapidity between $P$ and $S$.
So, it seems (assuming no errors in the calculation and the diagram)
that since $S$ has magnitude $P\cosh\theta_{PS}+Q\cosh\theta_{QS}$,
then, for an elastic collision [with $P$, $P'$,and $S$ coplanar],
$U$ is a multiple of $S$ and
$U$ has magnitude $| P\cosh\theta_{PS}-Q\cosh\theta_{QS}|$,
the difference of the relativistic-energies-in-the-COM-frame.

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  • $\begingroup$ I still have one question:if $U\cdot T$ and $S\cdot T$ is $0$, how do you conclude that U and S are parallel? What do you mean by parallel? $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 7, 2018 at 18:42
  • $\begingroup$ I'm presuming that all of these 4-vectors are in the same plane... like in a typical spacetime diagram with one-spatial dimension. By parallel in the plane, I mean that S and U are proportional, multiples of each other: $\tilde U=k \tilde S$. $\endgroup$
    – robphy
    Commented Oct 7, 2018 at 18:50
  • $\begingroup$ Is this a proved property of 4-vectors? $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 7, 2018 at 18:54
  • $\begingroup$ What if they are not in the same plane? $\endgroup$ Commented Oct 7, 2018 at 18:57
  • $\begingroup$ If they are not coplanar, then you probably have more work to do. $\endgroup$
    – robphy
    Commented Oct 7, 2018 at 18:58

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