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As a 8th grader I am still a newbie at science and I have problems understanding the forces that I can not imagine and one of these "forces" is the moment.

We are told that,

$$\text{moment}= Nm$$ but how can a certain force (i.e. $N$) be applied when there is $m$? How does it depend on the length of the considered object?

And how can 1 moment be defined on the basis of that representation?

And what would be the effect if the moment value is increased by the newton part as opposed to the effect when the value is increased by the length part.

Or is the result the same in both cases?

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The concept of a moment (or force moment) is that of a force at a distance. It not only measures how strong the force is but also how far away it is applied (for rotational purposes).

Consider s see-saw with a bear and a skunk.

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In order to quantify the idea of "balance" you need a description of the weight of each object as well as how far away does this weight apply relative to the fulcrum (red triangle).

You equate the moments

$$ \mbox{moment of bear} = \mbox{moment of skunk} $$ $$ x_B\, W_B = x_K\, W_K $$

where $x_B$ and $x_K$ are the distances (of the bear and the skunk respectively), and $W_B$ and $W_K$ the weights (of the bear and the skunk respectively).

The units are $\mbox{[length]} \times \mbox{[distance]} $ for moments. In the SI sytem that is $\rm N\,m$ (Newton-meters) and in the customary units $\rm lbs\;ft$ (Foot-pounds).

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$\mathrm{Nm}$ is not the moment (or torque), but the physical unit of torque in the SI unit system. The torque is defined as $\tau = F_\bot d$ that is the component of the force orthogonal to the line connecting the point of action and the pivot point multiplied by their distance.

For example, if you use a wrench that is one meter long and apply a force of $1\,\mathrm{N}$ at the end of the wrench you exert a torque of $1\,\mathrm{Nm}$ on the nut, the point is that, due to the law of levers, the same force is applied to overcome the friction between the nut and the threading if you had a wrench that is $0.1\,\mathrm{m}$ long and you would apply the force of $10\,\mathrm{N}$ (giving also a torque of $\tau = 0.1\,\mathrm{m} \cdot 10\,\mathrm{N} = 1\,\mathrm{Nm}$). In this sense, you drive the nut with the same force in both cases, and therefore the correct quantity to describe the action on the nut is the torque.

To extend, the torque is the analogue of force for circular motion. If you, for example, consider a flywheel then there is the equation $\tau = J\alpha$, that is formally analogue to $F = ma$, and describes that you have to apply a certain torque to achieve a certain angular acceleration $\alpha$. The factor $J$ is called the moment of inertia.

For a rigid body to remain at rest the sum of the forces has to be zero (otherwise the centre of mass will be accelerated and the body will not be static) and the sum of the torques hast to be zero (otherwise the rigid body will begin to rotate and therefore will not be static).

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  • $\begingroup$ I understand your uneasiness with my term of "moment" however I AM a Grade 8 student therefore Your Mathematics does makes sense and the formulas were also much helpful however please Make your explanations simpler in the future.(I AM NOT CRITISING you ) $\endgroup$ – Mythical Miner May 4 '18 at 4:56
  • $\begingroup$ The term moment is fine as well (I am just more used to torque and therefore used that term, because I would have used it by accident if I had tried to use moment throughout, by the way, in German it is called "Drehmoment" which literally means turn-moment). It is also be okay to criticize me if my answers are to convoluted or too far off. I tried to include slightly more advanced concepts in the answer for other people who might stumble upon it. $\endgroup$ – Sebastian Riese May 4 '18 at 12:38
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The moment is not a force itself but is rather a quantity that describes the forces tendency to cause rotation about a certain fixed pivot. Consider for example the simple lever. The longer you make the arm, the easier it is to move a certain amount of weight with the same force. This is because by making the arm longer you increased the moment of the force in the object.

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  • $\begingroup$ Thanks for your helpful feedback now I can imagine how that formula works in real world. however then how can you describe 1 moment ? $\endgroup$ – Mythical Miner May 3 '18 at 14:30
  • $\begingroup$ The force is the property that you apply, the moment is a way to describe the effect the force has given a certain configuration. Given that it is better to think of the force as bring the intrinsic property that has some value and the moment is just the result of that. $\endgroup$ – fhorrobin May 3 '18 at 14:40
  • $\begingroup$ Also, if the answer was helpful it would be great if you can mark it as the selected answer. $\endgroup$ – fhorrobin May 3 '18 at 14:41
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The key thing you missed is that moment isn't a unit, so you don't say '1 moment...'

Moment is the same thing as torque, which you probably have an intuitive understanding of already. It's a measure of your ability to cause rotation with force.

You can visualize it by thinking of pushing a door from a point really close to the hinge of the door, or a point near the opposite edge. It's obviously easier to open it from the edge.

This brings us to our formula. Your ability to open the door is influenced by:

  • the force you apply (directly proportional)
  • the distance between your point of application of the force and the center axis around which the door rotates (directly proportional again)

Hence we find that the unit of torque (or moment, if you prefer) is $Nm$, because the formula is: $\tau =F\times s$.

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protected by Qmechanic May 3 '18 at 18:47

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